Sensible Erection | Child Beaten to Death for being 2.

Saturday, 1 December 2007

quote [ HOUSTON, Texas (AP) -- The stepfather of a 2-year-old girl lost control and beat her to death because she wouldn't say "please" and "yes sir," an attorney for the girl's mother said Wednesday. ]

He really should have claimed self defense.

[by kylemcBitch@6:41amGMT] [+10 WTF]

Comments

Baxter_UK said @ 6:48am GMT on 1st Dec
At first I was all like, "What do you mean 'beaten to death for being two'?"

Then I realised this girl obviously had a sass mouth.

arrowhen said @ 6:48am GMT on 1st Dec
Well, fuck.

I'm going to go get drunk and hug my dog now.

Nick said @ 6:49am GMT on 1st Dec [Score:3 Insightful]
Might want to do that the other way round, before the beer goggles take effect.

shiney things said @ 6:55am GMT on 1st Dec
i hate everything

arrowhen said @ 7:15am GMT on 1st Dec [Score:5]

*sniff*... Everything?

kylemcBitch said @ 7:18am GMT on 1st Dec [Score:2 Funny]
You listen, and you listen good because I will only say this once.

I get off on watching people cry and/or loosing faith in humanity. I will not have you ruin my fun by posting various cute animals. LOLcats may be acceptable so long as the caption is suitable.

Don't ruin my only source of porn.

arrowhen said @ 9:06am GMT on 1st Dec

mrcucumber said @ 12:43pm GMT on 1st Dec

headlessfriar said @ 4:20pm GMT on 1st Dec
Go easy on him, he obviously learned to spell "losing" with an extra o from reading SlashDot.

shiney things said @ 7:28am GMT on 1st Dec
thank you

snowfox said @ 9:18am GMT on 1st Dec
I just want to pick that kitten up and protect it from humanity.

arrowhen said @ 9:26am GMT on 1st Dec
You and me both, kiddo.

That's also how I feel about the few humans I like, too.

snowfox said @ 9:32am GMT on 1st Dec
My father sees me with my cats and is convinced I will have children someday. The problem is that I only feel that way about kittens -- I intensely dislike babies.

arrowhen said @ 9:40am GMT on 1st Dec
Ugh. Babies are even worse than people.

devilsad said @ 10:42am GMT on 1st Dec
Babies are just people that haven't been trained not to shit, puke, scream and piss everywhere. Kind of like drunk people.

Nihil said @ 10:43am GMT on 1st Dec
Babies are OK until they start talking. Once they do they feel too much like more-retarded-than-average humans.

shiney things said @ 6:34pm GMT on 1st Dec
babies are fantastic for about ten minutes after a bath. otherwise they are kind of annoying at best. after a bath they smell good and are relaxed and happy.

f00m@nB@r said @ 4:29pm GMT on 1st Dec
interesting. looking at the URL for the image: "ketiak" = "armpit", and "mangsa" = "victim" in malay.

klayto said @ 6:55am GMT on 1st Dec
I'm all in for a "parents' drivers license". Those things happen way too often. (I remember some cases that came to surface in the last couple of weeks in my country, where children have been abused for a long time with fatal consequences)
Hell, there is even a "European Computer Driving License"...

Jin said @ 6:56am GMT on 1st Dec
It was probally a Katrina Refugee.

diamantiferous said @ 7:26am GMT on 1st Dec
The mother of a friend of a friend of mine is a social worker and had been trying to get a little girl taken out of a foster home for like three years, and last week the girl was beaten to death.

A second the parenting license.

Todomanna said @ 7:27am GMT on 1st Dec
All those in favor, say "Aye"

conception said @ 7:33am GMT on 1st Dec
Aye. As long as I get to issue them.

Nick said @ 7:49am GMT on 1st Dec [Score:3 Insightful]
The fact that you already issue them is kind of the whole problem.

-_- said @ 7:34am GMT on 1st Dec
Aye!

Nick said @ 7:49am GMT on 1st Dec
Aye.

arrowhen said @ 8:56am GMT on 1st Dec [Score:1 Underrated]

That's two ayes.

diamantiferous said @ 9:48am GMT on 1st Dec
wow! what is that?

blacksun said @ 10:09am GMT on 1st Dec [Score:1 Funny]
Rudy Giuliani

graham said @ 10:20am GMT on 1st Dec
Your mom.

lycurgus said @ 10:30am GMT on 1st Dec
Says in the post...

juju said @ 8:11am GMT on 1st Dec
Unfortunately no matter what we do, some people will be too strung out on drugs, or too oblivious to how they effect their children to get it.
In Indianapolis there's a lot in the news about a 3 year old who was removed from custody, then given back for a visitation and died. They found the apartment her mother and boyfriend lived in was disgusting, but there was a nice little certificate of completion for a parenting class out in the open. Thank goodness they did the parenting class, obviously it made shit so much better for that poor little girl.(Sources: target="_blank">here and here.)

So yeah, a license would be good because apparently just educating people about parenting techniques is not cutting it.

juju said @ 8:13am GMT on 1st Dec
Boo! I suck at the interwebs. :(

Saint_Marck said @ 7:30am GMT on 1st Dec [Score:-1]
Oh well, a two year old isn't a big loss, considering society hasn't invested much in her yet.

todde said @ 7:43am GMT on 1st Dec [Score:-2 Troll]
I won't waste rep points on you. But you've either got a lousy sense of humor or need to get beaten half to death, raped and then beaten the rest of the way.

Saint_Marck said @ 8:17am GMT on 1st Dec [Score:3 Insightful]
Hypocrite.

snowfox said @ 9:36am GMT on 1st Dec [Score:1 Underrated]
We do not threaten violence against other members of SE for having opinions different from out own. We do not make that shit personal. Don't piss in the pool, todde.

Nick said @ 9:55am GMT on 1st Dec [Score:-1]
I think there's an aktung clause to that rule, but yeah.

kang said @ 1:37pm GMT on 1st Dec
Maybe he meant that if someone of your age, outlook, and usefulness to society were violently and irrevocably removed from society (and/or life in general), it would hardly have any more deleterious effects than say violently and irrevocably removing a toddler would. In a utilitarian sense of course.

snowfox said @ 1:53pm GMT on 1st Dec
He was responding to Saint Marck, so, no, I don't think he was proposing anything about me.

snowfox said @ 9:35am GMT on 1st Dec
I hate to say it, but I agree with you on that. As far as the good of society is concerned, it would have been worse had a much older child or an adult died. An adult's value to society is known but a child is just a crapshoot. The odds she would have become a teenage mother who raises a thug of her own were much higher given her family than that she would cure cancer.

That said, it doesn't make it any less horrible she died, but you would come to the same conclusion as Marck if you removed emotion from the equation and looked at this as a utilitarian.

-_- said @ 9:55am GMT on 1st Dec
The "value of the individual to society" is basically nil regardless of age.
That's why our societies still indulge in wars.

Anyone living in Switzerland want to kick down with some info about how the "individual" is treated there please?

snowfox said @ 10:12am GMT on 1st Dec
My model is theoretical. The real world doesn't thrive on logical decision making of any sort.

-_- said @ 12:43pm GMT on 1st Dec
That's kind of the fun of it, isn't it?
If the world we live in did in fact operate on a logical basis (the human part of it that is) then it would be much more like a computer than our society is ... then one illogical person could rise up and overcome most of the barriers to success by doing those things no other would (taking advantage of the logical nature of others that is) ... then this persons success and accumulation of power would result in their own course becoming logically attractive as a life path thus plunging society into the dark morass of short sighted self interest and illogical destruction in pursuit of immediate satisfaction that we see about us today.
Have you any idea how people saw life and their place in it in the 20's ... it's amazing really to look at, and to conceptualize within todays world.
We've come a long way baby, and I daresay we may never find our way back.

Nihil said @ 10:46am GMT on 1st Dec
If you remove emotion from the equation, you should really care very very little about the 'good of society'. Unless she does cure cancer or accomplish another achievement of similar proportion, her existence will probably never affect your life one way or another.

micham18 said @ 11:17am GMT on 1st Dec
i disagree. the reason kids are special is because there is potential for them to turn into anything. if i remember correct from way back in my gr 8 (?) social studies class, one of the old french nations put more punishment towards harming a woman or a child than harming an adult male. as much as a pain in the ass as kids are, they have worth. they are the next generation, if we treat them as if they have no worth, they will grow up thinking they dont have any worth, and well i dont think that would turn into a nice society. adults such as the father wont change much, that 2 year old has years before her personality is fully defined, her worth is more than the adult in this situation. i dont think many of you would mind if the husband and/or wife get locked up for the rest of their lives. in terms of "worth", what good are they to society then? all the "investment" put into them is just food and lodging while they rot in prison. sounds "worth"while to me. so no, its not worse to lose an adult, losing the next generation of the species is worse.
if you want to talk about removing emotion and being utilitarian, whats the point in being human, even animals in the wild (bears) will do all they can to protect they young, and i dont think its because they are hung up on morals or emotion.

snowfox said @ 11:29am GMT on 1st Dec
You make a good point and I've long contemplated returning to a very old form of dealing with criminals: exile. I wonder if it would be possible to make a prison city with restricted in and out access where criminals would live, own property, have jobs and eventually be allowed to move away to a normal town when they prove they can be trusted. Throwing these guys in prison isn't going to help them learn to function in real society, but a controlled mini-society might do that very well. It would be a modern version of a penal colony.

Nihil said @ 11:47am GMT on 1st Dec
Read "Children of Men", it talks about a similar concept. BTW, stop reading once the plot gets moving - it becomes literarily worthless after that.

EPT said @ 10:55am GMT on 1st Dec
I agree with your comment, except for the 'oh, well' at the start.

-_- said @ 7:35am GMT on 1st Dec
It's pathetic how bad some people are with children.
This guy should bet drawn and quartered in the streets.

phunkeybuddha said @ 7:37am GMT on 1st Dec
"There was never an intention to beat Riley to death," he said.

Yes. Because intent changes the outcome. Fuckwad.

f00m@nB@r said @ 8:18am GMT on 1st Dec
it's the difference between manslaughter and murder.

phunkeybuddha said @ 8:30am GMT on 1st Dec
Still, it doesn't change the fact that a 2 yr old died unnecessarily. Regardless of his sentence, at least he has the privilege of living. She was hardly given the chance.

mattfish said @ 8:47am GMT on 1st Dec
It's still the difference between manslaughter and murder. And if he goes to jail and tells people it's cause he beat his 2 year old daughter to death, it's not going to matter how long he's supposed to be in there anyway

lycurgus said @ 9:27am GMT on 1st Dec
"SECOND DEGREE MURDER- a non-premeditated killing, resulting from an assault in which death of the victim was a distinct possibility."

"MANSLAUGHTER - The unlawful killing of a human being without malice or premeditation, either express or implied; distinguished from murder, which requires malicious intent."

arrowhen said @ 8:53am GMT on 1st Dec
When has a two year old's death ever been necessary?

snowfox said @ 9:42am GMT on 1st Dec
In serious answer to your question, there is at least one plausible scenario I can think of in which it would, but it isn't really applicable today. When man is forced to survive on the same level as animals, the value of adults vs children is much more apparent. Adults can easily make more children and are productive members of their group, so if there isn't enough food it would make sense to feed the adults first and if the children starve that's just how it is. A crying child might also be abandoned to the predators it attracts so that it cannot endanger and cause the deaths of the rest of the group. It's unreasonable to allow contributing, reproducing adults' lives to be jeopardized for one member of the group, especially when that member has no current value to the group and can be replaced (sorry, best word to use) much more quickly (9 months) than any of the adults (at least ten years).

Obviously none of this was applicable in this case. I'm just saying we shouldn't allow emotion to dictate that there is never an instance where a child's death serves the greater good.

snowfox said @ 11:13am GMT on 1st Dec
I'm not sure how that's a troll. A question was posed and I attempted to make a reasonable answer. Then again, bakeacake doesn't seem like he's much of an active member, so maybe he just doesn't know what a troll is.

Eru said @ 12:50pm GMT on 1st Dec
They live under bridges, right?

snowfox said @ 1:54pm GMT on 1st Dec
You really are all three of the world's greatest detectives.

EPT said @ 10:49am GMT on 1st Dec
Was it at Masada where a group of people were hiding from invaders and a baby couldn't stop crying, so the mother had to kill it to stop the crying from attracting attention and exposing the group? It's a pretty fringe situation, admittedly - famous for its unusualness.

Jewbacchus said @ 1:38pm GMT on 1st Dec
I've never heard that about Masada.

f00m@nB@r said @ 4:30pm GMT on 1st Dec
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masada

f00m@nB@r said @ 4:32pm GMT on 1st Dec
not to be confused with matsuda. (oddly, there is no wikipedia article about him.)

f00m@nB@r said @ 6:21pm GMT on 1st Dec
nm. i dropped a word

Jewbacchus said @ 8:21am GMT on 2nd Dec
where does it mention killing children to keep them quiet?

philby said @ 2:05pm GMT on 1st Dec
wasn't that in an episode of Monkey Magic?

lordbodwin said @ 10:35pm GMT on 1st Dec
That was in the last episode of M.A.S.H.

snowfox said @ 9:17am GMT on 1st Dec
ROFL, he did it in TEXAS. We are the government-condoned murder capital of the world. Just watch, the prosecutor will try to find a way to get the death penalty applicable. That said, this guy's crime really was being a dumb fuck whose parents probably taught him all this stupid shit. "Yes, sir" and beatings with a belt are the cornerstone of Baptists in this state, so odds are at least his parents are ignorant, religious fanatics.

I don't support the death penalty, even in this instance. He needs to be locked up for life because his poor judgment and violent temper make him a danger to others (I don't see the point in punitive measures, only preventative ones). Anyway, if he's got any sense at all he will request solitary confinement.

EPT said @ 10:52am GMT on 1st Dec
Baptist, eh? Perhaps he misunderstood the 'suffer the little children' bit in bible class...

snowfox said @ 11:27am GMT on 1st Dec
I swear the only thing these people absorb in church is "atheists and all non baptists are going to hell," "god hates fags," and "liberals are destroying this country." I gave up having rational discussions with them sometime in middle school because there was just no convincing them there could be other viewpoints than their own.

mthrndr said @ 11:26am GMT on 1st Dec
he won't last 2 months once out of solitary.

snowfox said @ 11:34am GMT on 1st Dec
Exactly. A lot of these people in the prison had abusive step dads, and many more would do anything to be out of prison with their children. The combination of those two factors means this guy is going to be a target of continual violence and most likely the guards will look the other way. If he's got any sense he'll request to stay in solitary his entire sentence for his own protection.

Vernes said @ 9:26pm GMT on 1st Dec
You just made my day.

I hope he gets jailtime, it means a beating of a lifetime.

lordbodwin said @ 10:38pm GMT on 1st Dec
You mean a lifetime of beating.

lycurgus said @ 9:19am GMT on 1st Dec
That's not really true at all. "reckless disregard for human life" = murder in most states.

arctan said @ 1:29pm GMT on 1st Dec
No. For it to be "manslaughter", he'd've had to not be beating her at all, but instead killed her by some kind of stupid accident.

winter said @ 8:02am GMT on 1st Dec
No step-parents...EVER!

Cash said @ 8:08am GMT on 1st Dec
I suggest we give him the

theolypse said @ 8:37am GMT on 1st Dec
The Ikea?

hunk said @ 9:01am GMT on 1st Dec
that's a pretty comfy death chair.

snowfox said @ 9:27am GMT on 1st Dec
Really? It looks hard and oddly shaped to me. I would prefer a massage recliner.

noiseloop said @ 1:22pm GMT on 1st Dec
The Kosuth?.

Saint_Marck said @ 8:20am GMT on 1st Dec [Score:1 Interesting]
This reminds me of how apes in captivity sometimes get frustrated with their offspring and shake them or neglect them.

snowfox said @ 9:36am GMT on 1st Dec
I think I'd be a baby-shaker personally. The crying would drive me insane in a matter of hours.

Asscheeks Akimbo said @ 9:54am GMT on 1st Dec
Alpha male apes also often kill the offspring of their mate if the offspring wasn't it's own.

-_- said @ 9:57am GMT on 1st Dec
Lots of land mammals seem to do that .. well, at least big cats and primates ... wolves maybe?
bears?

Certainly not elephants .. .right?

yevishere said @ 10:38am GMT on 1st Dec
Mice eat their babies.

-_- said @ 12:22pm GMT on 1st Dec
Pigeons shit on their babies.
I once read that Rats, Spiders, and Humans are the only species that have rape.
But we're still the only ones I know of that kill for sport or shiny things.

snowfox said @ 12:23pm GMT on 1st Dec [Score:2 Funny]
Well she is quite popular.

-_- said @ 12:44pm GMT on 1st Dec
Do what ever she says I will.

arrowhen said @ 12:56pm GMT on 1st Dec [Score:2 Underrated]
Ducks rape, too.

headlessfriar said @ 4:17pm GMT on 1st Dec
And how. Ducks and other birds commit necrophilia on a regular basis, it's like rape with less resistance.

shiney things said @ 6:42pm GMT on 1st Dec
i didn't know people had killed for me.

Silent said @ 10:58pm GMT on 1st Dec
*kills for the shiney things*

theRed said @ 6:45pm GMT on 1st Dec
Don't leave the dolphins out! They're in to gang raping stray femmes...

yasha said @ 12:25pm GMT on 1st Dec
i read a paper in college documenting a the same phenomenon in humans.

the really interesting part is that men who believed they were biological fathers were STILL more likely to kill their purported offspring than a true, biological father was.

arrowhen said @ 12:55pm GMT on 1st Dec
Interesting. I just read about that in a newspaper article.

-_- said @ 4:33pm GMT on 1st Dec
Pheromones play a HUGE role in parenting in my experience, they really can't be over rated.
So what you're talking about makes sense to me .. not the killing kids part (icky icky icky bad bad go away) but the part about real fathers vs. purported fathers.

gunthar said @ 11:34am GMT on 1st Dec
humans are apes!

snowfox said @ 11:36am GMT on 1st Dec
You Maniacs! You blew it up! Ah, damn you! God damn you all to hell!

lizard-bitch said @ 8:30am GMT on 1st Dec
Neal Davis III, Zeigler's attorney, said Trenor's story isn't believable.
"She is placing all the blame on Royce, but I think that once the facts come to light, once the timeline's established and the evidence is combed through ... I think her credibility is gonna become a big issue," Davis said.

I agree, there's probably enough Justice to go around for both of them!

snowfox said @ 11:32am GMT on 1st Dec
And if I read the article right she is currently pregnant. That poor kid is going to get bounced from one shitty foster home to the next given how poorly Texas deals with that sort of thing. Also keep in mind that the people who place kids in foster homes are often paid a commission for each placement, so it gives them an incentive to put as many kids in foster homes as they can manage, regardless of whether the kid should be in one or if the home is potentially as unstable as the one they came from.

The whole thing is really depressing.

vahid said @ 9:18am GMT on 1st Dec
is the stepdaddy a southern baptist?

snowfox said @ 11:40am GMT on 1st Dec
It's not stated but it's almost certain he is. His attitude toward his kid is pretty common among them. Most of my classmates were Baptists and were expected to say sir and ma'am to their parents. They also told me their parents hit them with a belt, even well into high school. Typically they would cite the bible as justification (honor thy father, etc). Sometimes the smarter kids would tell their parents they were currently not being godly and as such it would be blasphemous to respect them. Usually that led to the police responding to a domestic dispute.

theRed said @ 6:49pm GMT on 1st Dec
There's alot of thought suggesting that aggression towards step children is a by product of evolution. There's a ton of evidence to suggest that they're at much higher risk of abuse and mortality than kids who have both their biological parents around.