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Tuesday, 14 August 2012
quote [ The analysis of 2,068 reported fraud cases by News21, a Carnegie-Knight investigative reporting project, found 10 cases of alleged in-person voter impersonation since 2000. ]
So there you have it. One alleged case per year. That may not seem like much, but in the LA Times today, Stephan and Abigail Thernstrom say that doesn't matter:
[politics] [by bbqkink@10:16pmGMT] [+2] Without a personal identification card issued by some level of government, you are a second-class citizen. You cannot board an airplane, ride an Amtrak train, buy a six-pack of beer or a pack of cigarettes, open a checking account, enter many public and some private office buildings or even attend an NAACP convention without proving that you are who you say you are. ....These requirements have provoked strikingly little objection from the American public. No one argues that it is grossly discriminatory to deprive people without picture IDs access to this wide range of places, programs and activities. And in Ohio it seems that the fraud is only in "Some" counties. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#48654642 Here is a little of the GOP take on this. http://www.truthaboutfraud.org/image/matson041607.jpg http://michellemalkin.com/category/voter-fraud/ |
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GordonGuano
said @ 10:40pm GMT on 14th Aug
I get that voter fraud, like racism, is something that Democrats did really well in the 60s and is pretty much exclusively the purview of the Greedy Old Pedophiles now, but isn't there a corollary argument to be made that getting an ID card should be as simple and easy and cost about as much as voting? In other words, if we're going to have ID requirements for voting, we need to expand DMV offices, hours, and personnel. If the Democrats had the brains and the stones (should I even finish this sentence?), they'd portray voter ID laws as Big Government sticking its nose into your business. |
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zarathustra
said @ 11:49pm GMT on 14th Aug
I don't think it would work. Other than those types of discrimination specifically limited by the Constitution, the states have had the right to set voting regulation. Thus this falls right in to the GOP "states rights" stuff. The "Big Government" only means the feds when the GOP has the state. |
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lilmookieesquire
said @ 12:48am GMT on 15th Aug
The Democrats have a different audience and logical hypocritical is something that doesn't seem to swing GOP voters. |
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maryyugo
said @ 2:16am GMT on 15th Aug
[Score:1 Funny]
Don't know about you but I never had a problem getting a picture ID from the DMV. I agree that people who are indigent should get them for free. But they don't take long to get and aren't difficult to get in most places. All you have to do is show documents that prove you're you. |
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Naruki
said @ 3:48am GMT on 15th Aug
Time for another round of Who Said That? Today's easily confused sources include maryyugo, Hitler, Pol Pot, and the entire set of congressmen who voted for the Patriot Act (either version). First quote: If you've got nothing to hide, then you've got nothing to fear.Alright players, WHO SAID THAT? |
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happiest_sadist
said @ 4:36am GMT on 15th Aug
[Score:1 Funny]
You did. Just now. See, it's right up there ^ |
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happiest_sadist
said @ 4:37am GMT on 15th Aug
So, ah, what do I win? |
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Announcer
said @ 7:32am GMT on 15th Aug
[Score:1 Informative]
You've won a wonderful all-expense paid trip to one of our glorious death camps! You'll experience starvation, forced labour, mental and physical abuse and maybe a little death! |
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sanepride
said @ 3:57am GMT on 15th Aug
[Score:1 Insightful]
All you have to do is show documents that prove you're you First of all, this is not so easy for a lot of people who don't already have a picture ID. Second, your observation is completely irrelevant. The question isn't how easy it is to get a picture ID. The question is why are these laws being passed to address a 'problem' that doesn't even exist, if not to simply keep certain populations from voting? |
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GordonGuano
said @ 3:59am GMT on 15th Aug
The North Carolina DMV is pretty Kafkaeasque, and I live in West Bumblefuck. I can't even imagine trying to renew my tags if I lived in a city. On the bright side, now I know where ENIAC ended up. |
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arctan
said @ 1:42pm GMT on 15th Aug
This is like your crap about how urban free clinics are great and no one who has access to one should complain about health care. |
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stereobreadsticks
said @ 8:48pm GMT on 15th Aug
[Score:1 Underrated]
I recently moved from California to Montana. I brought with me my California driver's license, my social security card and my passport. For the first couple of months after I moved up here I stayed with my brother while looking for a place of my own. When I bought a car I was told at the DMV that I was only allowed to register a car if I had a Montana driver's license. "Ok, fine, I'm planning on being here for a while I should get that done anyway. Where do I get the forms to fill out for that?" I asked. The lady behind the desk responded that I would have to go to a separate licensing office on the other side of town. I went there with my valid photo id (California driver's license) and my social security card and was told I'd have to make an appointment, which could only be made online. So I went home and made an online appointment for a week later. I came back in only to be told that out of state driver's licenses combined with a social security card wasn't sufficient proof of citizenship and to prove I was a Montana resident I would need something like a piece of mail in my name to prove that I had a physical address, not a P.O. Box (which is where the mail to my brother's place normally goes) in Montana. Fortunately when I opened a bank account up here I had blanked on the P.O. Box number and just written the physical address down, otherwise I would have had to convince either my brother or sister in law to come with me to the office in person to sign a statement that I was living with them. I went home, got online, made another appointment for a week later, brought in my passport (my fucking passport, the only time I've ever had to use it for anything other than leaving the country) and the confirmation letter from the bank that had been sent to the physical address of the house instead of the P.O. Box only because I had blanked while filling out the form and finally was able to get my application in for a Montana driver's license. Which of course still took a month to come in the mail. So in other words to get a photo ID from the DMV I needed A) A car to get to the office (it was pretty far from the nearest bus route). B) An internet connection or access to somewhere with free internet because the only way to make an appointment was online. C) A piece of mail to my physical address, even though my mailing address was a P.O. Box, barring that a roommate or landlord with the time to come with me to the office to sign a statement. C) Two forms of photo ID. Yes, to get a photo ID I needed two forms of photo ID. Thankfully I had them. I don't assume that everyone is so lucky. |
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that1guy
said @ 6:05pm GMT on 16th Aug
I believe you've discoverd, we don't like people from California for these generalizations: They drive like shit. They are rude. They are snobs. They gobble up all the desireable propterty with all their moneys. They jack up the cost of surrounding real estate taxes when they build their giant ranchettes. This makes it hard for a person born in Montana to afford land, let alone a house with land because we have very few jobs and those jobs pay lower than the national average and this is a run on sentence. They don't know what a borrow pit is. They complain that it's cold. |
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Mr. Langosta
said @ 10:42pm GMT on 14th Aug
Check out this ZAP! |
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Naruki
said @ 12:15am GMT on 15th Aug
Wait, he says "alleged" in one place and later implies verified. Which is it? |
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todde
said @ 12:57am GMT on 15th Aug
Jim Greer, former Florida Republican Chairman, is up front. There isn't a "voter fraud" problem. It is an attempt by the Republican Party to keep poor, Black and Latino Americans from voting. |
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scojam
said @ 1:19am GMT on 15th Aug
Or in other world voting regulation fraud. |
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sanepride
said @ 2:09am GMT on 15th Aug
[Score:1 Informative]
PA Rep. Turzai's blatant admission on voter ID cannot be played enough. Here it is again: |
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maryyugo
said @ 2:14am GMT on 15th Aug
[Score:-1 Old]
Chicago voters' mantra: Vote Early and Vote Often! |
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Naruki
said @ 2:38am GMT on 15th Aug
Got anything from this century? |
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bruceski
said @ 3:22am GMT on 15th Aug
My mom's from Chicago. When I turned 18 she was so happy to keep with tradition and influence my vote. |
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sanepride
said @ 4:06am GMT on 15th Aug
Yet more shenanigans: Republican election officials in Ohio limit early voting in Democratic-leaning districts |
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sanepride
said @ 4:12am GMT on 15th Aug
Oops, I see Maddow addresses this in the clip posted in the extended. Well, for those who whine about MSNBC clips (I'm talking to you incpenners) here's a nice text version. |
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CommanderCherkinov
said @ 1:03pm GMT on 17th Aug
SC gives the ID for free and will even transport poor people to get ID cards. I need an ID to cash a check, get a cell phone, buy pseudofed, get a video rental membership, and an apartment...but I don't need one to vote? That doesn't make any sense, at all. |
If the courts don't stop this nonsense they will be the frauds.