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Monday, 30 July 2012
quote [ Our results show that the average temperature of the earth’s land has risen by two and a half degrees Fahrenheit over the past 250 years, including an increase of one and a half degrees over the most recent 50 years. Moreover, it appears likely that essentially all of this increase results from the human emission of greenhouse gases. ]
Climate skeptic gets the data, does the analysis and changes his mind. This is how it's supposed to work.
[sci&tech] [by Viking_Biochemist@11:43pmGMT] [+10 Hot Pr0n] |
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lilmookieesquire
said @ 12:03am GMT on 31st Jul
[Score:4 Hot Pr0n]
Hot porn? Get it? Hot? Porn? Come on folks, that's comedy gold. |
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sherlock
said @ 12:13am GMT on 31st Jul
I don't get it. |
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Naruki
said @ 1:03am GMT on 31st Jul
[Score:5 Hot Pr0n]
Bend over, you'll get it. |
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themanwhoeatsWILTEDlettus
said @ 7:58am GMT on 31st Jul
I did and now i have brown leaves. |
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rezties
said @ 12:55am GMT on 31st Jul
I don't get it. Can you draw a Venn diagram of it? |
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sanepride
said @ 12:48am GMT on 31st Jul
[Score:1 Informative]
I was all set to post this very piece here yesterday, then started reading some analysis and criticism of Muller's methods and had second thoughts. Many of the questions are summed up in the always insightful NYT Dot Earth blog. More pointed is this trashing of Muller by climate modeller William M. Connolley, certainly no denier of AGW. Overall researchers seem impressed with BEP's methods and numbers, but put off by Muller's conclusions and lack of peer-review. Unfortunately such contention probably gives some fuel to the deniers but it does make for interesting scientific discussion. I'd be interested in your thoughts on this VB. |
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Navier-Strokes
said @ 11:59am GMT on 31st Jul
Thanks for the links. Having read Connolley's trolling (let's call it what it is), he sounds like he's being cantankerous for its own sake. |
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sanepride
said @ 4:04pm GMT on 31st Jul
Connolley's definitely being cantankerous here but he has valid points. As for Muller, despite the questions over just how much of a 'skeptic' he really was, it seems pretty clear that his crowing about his 'conversion' in the editorial pages of the NYT is more about PR than science, and there seems to be no actual new science involved. Perhaps this has value, more along the lines of someone like Al Gore (only without the political baggage) endeavoring to educate lay people who honestly believe there is still an actual scientific 'debate' over climate change itself. As for convincing the entrenched deniers, I'd say no chance. These folks are living in a special state of delusion. |
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bbqkink
said @ 1:13am GMT on 31st Jul
Ok now I am going to sound like one of those conspiracy nut balls..but here goes. I have for some time thought that the ubber rich have known for much longer than anyone how devastating climate change is actually going to be. That in fact it will make the dust bowl of the 30's look like a forth of July picnic. http://www.weru.ksu.edu/new_weru/multimedia/dustbowl/dustbowlpics.html The dust bowl this time is going to be a world wide event, making the story of the Joad family a common one and the worlds wealthy are doing whatever they can to insulate themselves and their own from it. 2012 Drought Rivals Dust Bowl http://www.weather.com/news/drought-disaster-new-data-20120715 Like I have said in other post any effort that has been made to stop or slow this process are at best....stupid. it is a world problem and would take a world solution..ain't going to happen. http://www.sensibleerection.com/entry.php/76069 I know there are a lot of reasons the 1% are trying to gather their resources and this whole idea maybe as crazy as a birther conspiracy..but. |
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Mr. Langosta
said @ 1:26am GMT on 31st Jul
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but I saw Trump loading exotic animals two by two into a G6. |
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bbqkink
said @ 2:29am GMT on 31st Jul
I'm pretty sure the Donald doesn't have enough money to be in the club I was thinking about. |
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Navier-Strokes
said @ 5:17am GMT on 31st Jul
I'm inclined to agree with you. You do sound like a conspiracy nut ball (at least for this post). |
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spite48
said @ 8:30pm GMT on 31st Jul
I doubt there is anything as insightful or organized as that going on amongst the most wealthy - although as shrewd investors, they are no doubt 'hedging' against shortages and disturbances - I doubt any but a few are fully prepared for worst case scenarios. |
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BergZ
said @ 1:28am GMT on 31st Jul
This story is a real ray of hope for the issue of climate change because of who funded this research. The "skeptics" would be content to ignore all the research from the universities from now 'till doomsday, but they can't ignore this because it was partially funded by the Koch foundation. It came from one of their own. Were climate researchers motivated solely by personal gain then the Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature project members had all the motivation in the world to tell the Koch brothers what they want to hear, but the strength of the scientific evidence lead to the undeniable conclusion: The planet is warming and mankind is, at least partially, responsible. |
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scojam
said @ 3:50am GMT on 31st Jul
If the Koch brothers are involved in funding this research they must have an ulterior motive relative to making more money even if everything in the report and conclusions are true, maybe especially if they are true. The real truth is that the world at large isn't listening, nor can the people of the world actually impact the problem in a positive way. Cut down on this or that to reduce your carbon footprint, big deal. The real problem is the number of people in the world and with India and China emerging as economic giants and having roughly half the population in the world between them does anyone actually think the Western world is going to convince them to cut back? I don't think so. My concern is more for what else mankind can do to destroy, not the world because I don't believe mankind can do that, but destroy the elements of the world that enable us to live. That can come from a range of things like nuclear war, which I believe is very close to man made projects like the Three Gorges Dam the Chinese created that when filled with water, it took about three weeks once the dam was closed off and which caused the Earth to shift a measureable amount on its axis. The solution I believe is drastic. Cut the population before nature does it on our behalf. The next time a viral pandemic is expected, give it its head and cull the human herd. Of course a special place will have to be created to house the elites of society together with all the medicines they need to fight off the infections and a bevy of women, specially chosen for the sexual prowess and birthing hips to ensure mankind can re-establish itself after the real holocaust is finished. |
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azazel
said @ 5:08am GMT on 31st Jul
So yeah, Ebola's been spreading in Uganda. |
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scojam
said @ 2:46pm GMT on 31st Jul
Right on time. Mother nature listens. |
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loomspace
said @ 11:59am GMT on 31st Jul
Or we could, you know, plant trees. |
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BergZ
said @ 10:30pm GMT on 31st Jul
From what I've heard the population models suggest that we should reach a point of stability at ~9 Billion... If that happens we stand a decent chance of being able to get world wide support on voluntary birth control programs leading to a slow and steadily declining population (until we can reach sustainable levels). The sudden shock of a mass epidemic could throw the whole plan off. |
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sanepride
said @ 5:22am GMT on 31st Jul
Nah. Muller initially announced his big 'conversion' on climate change over a year ago (I believe there were two posts about it back then on SE). Despite the Koch funding no serious 'skeptics' (I prefer the term 'deniers') were convinced- partly because no amount of data, no matter how clear, will move people who are swayed more by dogma. But also because Muller is a problematic figure, apparently motivated as much by self-promotion as by true scientific 'conversion' (see my comment and links above). |
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Anti-fuites
said @ 1:55am GMT on 31st Jul
[Score:1 Funny]
Pssh, climate skeptic in name only |
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_brody_
said @ 2:10am GMT on 31st Jul
This is not science -- the only new content is conjecture and editorial. This is why years later Muller still can't get his results published in a peer-reviewed journal. Muller is one of those unfortunate loudmouths making Global Warming seem less legitimate. |
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schatten00777
said @ 2:40am GMT on 31st Jul
The Revolving Internet |
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snowfox
said @ 4:53am GMT on 31st Jul
This needs a warning: Not for the inebriated nor those with motion sickness. |
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KingPellinore
said @ 12:33pm GMT on 31st Jul
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wottan
said @ 7:39am GMT on 31st Jul
To me this just smacks of him saying it cant be true unless HIS much smaller and less peer reviewed study says it. The UN panel was a large international effort that settled the issue for most of the people with an understanding/connection to the scientific community. Though I cant look a gift horse in the mouth, glad that some skeptics are reversing their opinions. |
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Navier-Strokes
said @ 11:00am GMT on 31st Jul
In science, it's not a bad thing to be suspicious of results. The great thing about (nature) science is you can go out and run the test yourself. You might consider it redundant / not new science, but not bad science. Still, the research should be reviewed for accuracy / legitimacy of the analysis. |