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Friday, 13 July 2012

quote [ FactCheck.org: Romney 'would be guilty of a federal felony' by claiming 1999 departure ]

Ohh... he has step in it this time. This one is worse than claiming he lived in an unfurnished basement on his voter registration.

The Sunday talk shows will be interesting this week. This death by a thousand ..lies.

The tax returns or lack there of ,

the company in Bermuda http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jul/10/robert-gibbs/democrats-say-mitt-romney-failed-disclose-offshore/

The lack of an explanation for a Swiss bank account and on and on.

Even "Business Insider" is on this.....

Sorry, Mitt Romney, You Can't Be Chairman, CEO, And President Of A Company And Not Be Responsible For What It Does...

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/sorry-mitt-romney-you-cant-be-chairman-ceo-and-president-of-a-company-and-not-be-responsible-for-what-it-does-2012-7#ixzz20SXKOJXs

The Obama folks officially called him on this as well.

TEAM OBAMA: ROMNEY MAY BE A 'FELON'

http://ppsimmons.blogspot.com/2012/07/team-obama-romney-may-be-felon.html

He really has a problem with those pesky federal forms.

Several of Romney's assets — including a large family trust valued at roughly $100 million, nine overseas holdings and 12 partnership interests — were not named initially on his disclosure forms, emerging months later when he agreed to release his tax returns... Romney's tax forms showed holdings in a Swiss bank account, a real estate trust and nine offshore accounts not named on the public disclosure reports.

If he ever does release more tax forms it will be interesting to see what else he conveniently forgot.

[politics] [by bbqkink@1:15amGMT] [+5 Interesting]

Comments

bbqkink said @ 1:16am GMT on 13th Jul [Score:1 Funny]
In case you forgot about the voter fraud...

http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/06/maddow-questions-whether-mitt-romney-has-committed-voter-fraud/

incpenners said @ 1:50am GMT on 13th Jul [Score:-4 Troll]
Can we please see the video so that we'll know what our opinion is supposed to be?

ahPook said @ 1:54am GMT on 13th Jul [Score:5 Funny]
You already know what your opinion is supposed to be.

bbqkink said @ 1:58am GMT on 13th Jul
Same here he either lived in his son's house, in an unfinished basement for a year or he lied on his voters registration...THEN voted and committed voter fraud.

incpenners said @ 1:50am GMT on 13th Jul [Score:-5 Troll]
Grasping at straws.

bbqkink said @ 1:52am GMT on 13th Jul [Score:1 Informative]
He either was the CEO and he is a liar...or he wasn't and he is a felon.

ahPook said @ 1:55am GMT on 13th Jul
Corporations are people, my friend.

foobar said @ 3:05am GMT on 13th Jul
Except when they break the law.

Naruki said @ 4:44am GMT on 13th Jul
Maybe penners was talking about himself. It fits.

zarathustra said @ 1:55am GMT on 13th Jul [Score:1 Funny]
Explain?

Ankylosaur said @ 2:21am GMT on 13th Jul [Score:1]
And voter suppression isn't?

swiggy said @ 3:20am GMT on 13th Jul
Voter suppression is just the GOP practicing their god-given rights to fuck over the poor.

assbastard said @ 4:07am GMT on 13th Jul
Just like the whole birther thing.

backSLIDER said @ 4:38am GMT on 13th Jul
It will be a bit funny to watch fox news say that Democrats and the "liberal media" are being hypocritical for making a big deal out of this when it's clearly the same thing as a birth certificate.

hellboy said @ 9:37am GMT on 13th Jul
How is it the same thing? The birth certificate has been released, there was no lie or discrepancy, and no evidence of any felony or any crime at all. In this case Romney's either a liar or a felon. I don't see any similarity at all.

mrklipp said @ 3:47pm GMT on 13th Jul
Of course there isn't. I'd hope you aren't naive enough to think that would stop them from saying so anyway.

hellboy said @ 4:50pm GMT on 13th Jul
No, I expect them to say there's no similarity because one is a conspiracy to install a terrorist Anti-Christ as the leader of the free world and the other is a trivial clerical error.

backSLIDER said @ 8:33pm GMT on 13th Jul
Wait who's side are you on!! *points finger* ... but no really, we've gotten so far into bat country I'm not sure anymore.

hellboy said @ 2:19am GMT on 14th Jul
More like batshit country. I was being sarcastic in my Fox news comment (though it occurs to me that it could easily work the other way, with Mormon space invader Romney as the Anti-Christ, in some madpridean Bizarro World).

I read today that the percentage of people who believe Obama wasn't born in the US is about the same now as it was before he released his birth certificate. People are fucking stupid, and none more so than the birthers, who seem to have forgotten that his mother was an Anerican citizen and thus it doesn't even matter where he was born.

afrasr said @ 2:25am GMT on 13th Jul [Score:2 Good]

chold_numa said @ 3:16am GMT on 13th Jul
+1 The Cruel Sea

Seneki69 said @ 5:32am GMT on 13th Jul
ditto.

theolypse said @ 1:47am GMT on 14th Jul
Kimbery insists that I like this.

bbqkink said @ 3:34am GMT on 13th Jul
Pioneer in outsourcing...he was there for the IPO!

Romney Invested Millions in Chinese Firm That Profited on US Outsourcing.

"We will not let China continue to steal jobs from the United States of America," Romney declared in February. But with this investment, Romney sought to make money off a foreign company that banked on American firms outsourcing manufacturing overseas.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/07/bain-capital-mitt-romney-outsourcing-china-global-tech

scojam said @ 2:45pm GMT on 14th Jul
The truth is that they aren't stealing jobs from America, America is giving the jobs away freely as a means to impoverish and enslave its people.

mrklipp said @ 3:38pm GMT on 14th Jul
If you define America as the tiny percentage of people who control most of the resources and capital, then I suppose so.

GordonGuano said @ 3:45am GMT on 13th Jul
IOKIYAR. The magic "R" after your name washes away all sins and confers them to whoever points them out.

sua_sponte said @ 4:01am GMT on 13th Jul
And you thought I was kidding when I said Mitt Romney deserved to be facefucked by a rhinoceros.

kichijoii said @ 11:07am GMT on 14th Jul
I dunno, he might like it.

sanepride said @ 4:50am GMT on 13th Jul
Romney gets endorsement from Dick Cheney.

on the evening when the divisive former vice president opened his home at the foot of Wyoming’s majestic Teton Range to host a $4 million fundraiser for the presumptive Republican nominee, Romney’s campaign labored to avoid any photos or videos of the two men together.

bbqkink said @ 5:53pm GMT on 13th Jul
"Romney’s campaign labored to avoid any photos or videos of the two men together."

That's it isn't it. That is the whole heart of this campaign.
"Please ignore the man behind the curtain",

"Those are the sort of things that should be discussed in quiet rooms" and presumably behind closed doors.

My personal favorite.
"I'm not sure what I said, but I said behind it no matter what it was"

"I saw my father march with Martin Luther King"
(an oldie but a goodie)

Another of the GREATEST HITS .
"I'll take a lot of credit now the (auto) industry is back"

And back to the latest little departure from the facts ....And my guess the underlying reason for most of he others...HE FORGOT THE FIRST LIE!!

Mitt Romney's Own 2002 Testimony Undermines Bain Departure Claim

Romney's sworn testimony was given as part of a hearing to determine whether he had sufficient residency status in Massachusetts to run for governor.

Romney testified that he "remained on the board of the Staples Corporation and Marriott International, the LifeLike Corporation" at the time.

Yet in the Aug. 12, 2011, federal disclosure form filed as part of his presidential bid, he said, "Mr. Romney retired from Bain Capital on February 11, 1999 to head the Salt Lake Organizing Committee. Since February 11, 1999, Mr. Romney has not had any active role with any Bain Capital entity and has not been involved in the operations of any Bain Capital entity in any way."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/12/mitt-romney-bain-departure_n_1669006.html?ir=Politics

sanepride said @ 6:55pm GMT on 13th Jul
What's funny is that despite the apocryphal story about his dad and ML King, George Romney really did strive to be the conscience of his party on civil rights. He was ahead of his time, and sadly well out of his element, lacking the full empathy and the language to make a lasting impact. Here's a great piece on the sad legacy of the Romney civil rights legacy that culminated in Mitt's awkward NAACP appearance.

My favorite passage:
In Watts one day, (George) Romney and Lenore were sitting in the back of a sedan, being chauffeured to the airport by a local driver, with Romney’s bodyguard riding shotgun. According to a story that circulated all through the campaign, Romney leaned forward: “Say, what is that word they keep saying to me? I don’t understand, it begins with an M…” The driver and the bodyguard racked their brains as Romney tried to pronounce it, working his western consonants around an inner-city accent. Then the driver straightened up and said, “Governor, I think what they’re saying is”—and here he let his voice get kind of ghetto—“mo’fucka.” And then, because Romney was legendarily a Mormon and these vulgarities may have been somewhat beyond him, the driver clarified: “Motherfucker, sir.” And Romney sank back into his seat, like a part of the car that had been mechanically retracted.

bbqkink said @ 10:34pm GMT on 13th Jul
George was from all I can tell was a good Governor and if he had said I have been lied to, instead of I had been brainwashed, he may have been President.

Kind of ironic his dad could have been president if he had said the word lie and mitt probably won't be because all he does is lie.

King of the Hill said @ 4:44pm GMT on 13th Jul
Nothing to see here... but hey it is politics and either side can lie, and then retreat... the damage is done.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/12/politics/john-king-bain/index.html?hpt=hp_c1

sanepride said @ 5:28pm GMT on 13th Jul
In all likelihood this issue will indeed fade or simply get folded into the narrative of Romney simply being an attentive and savvy businessman. And yes, part of this vaunted role is a degree of ruthlessness, skirting ethics if not actual law, and economic efficiency ultimately in service of the shareholders. This is after all how business works, and that's fine.

What's at issue is whether this is really what's desirable in government. I'm constantly amazed at the readiness of the electorate to accept this conservative narrative- that especially in these desperate times it is actually beneficial to working people to have a business leader at the helm of government. As if we don't have a recent example of how disastrous this can be (it's telling that Romney still refuses to say the name of the last GOP president out loud, and won't pose for pictures with the former VP even at a fundraiser he's hosting). It's clear by now that we are in the midst of a prolonged employment crisis, and what business executives do in lean times is downsize, economize, and outsource.
Of course the whole purpose of government is to serve the many, not the few, with its unique powers to act broadly without regard to the 'bottom line'.
Personally I'd be a lot more impressed with Romney if he was willing to tout his history in this area, like expanding health coverage to all of the citizens in his state. Of course this isn't the tact his party or his well-heeled benefactors want to emphasize. I will give him credit for being a largely successful and efficient businessman...but even if he did act completely lawfully in this area, it makes him particularly unqualified to be a leader of government.

Barnabas_Truman said @ 6:11pm GMT on 13th Jul
I'm sick and tired of the idea that "X should be run like a business." It just makes things worse. A school shouldn't be run like a business. A prison shouldn't be run like a business. A country most definitely shouldn't be run like a business. I'm beginning to think that a business shouldn't be run like a business. Business is a failed business model.

sanepride said @ 7:00pm GMT on 13th Jul
Exactly. Only to clarify- business is only a failed business model for average working people. For top shareholders and executives, it is a more wildly successful business model than ever.

King of the Hill said @ 8:57pm GMT on 13th Jul [Score:-1 Troll]
Communism was a failed model too... as was Fascism... Both I assume are what you are advocating when you say "I'm beginning to think that a business shouldn't be run like a business. Business is a failed business model. "

Even the Chinese communists embraced capitalism.

Barnabas_Truman said @ 9:15pm GMT on 13th Jul
Don't put words in my mouth: I'm not advocating anything. I'm saying that running certain organizations, such as schools and prisons, as if profit were the most important thing will lead to major problems.

Naruki said @ 11:53pm GMT on 13th Jul [Score:-1 WTF]
Yeah. Basically, a good rule of thumb is "is this a necessary service for society?" If yes, then keep business the fuck out of it.

Barnabas_Truman said @ 2:09am GMT on 14th Jul
I'm especially noticing this (because it's where I work) in public universities. The higher-ups who focus only on profit are cutting funding on departments that aren't producing profit--but these are often the departments (student services, counseling, free tutoring, etc.) that contribute to a successful university experience for the students that need it most.

King of the Hill said @ 9:05pm GMT on 13th Jul
Sane, I would dare say that Romney has more experience than Obama at business, politics, and governing... Though with "president" on Obama's resume that part may be a wash.

Romney is largely credited with saving the Olympics in Salt Lake when it was determined the games were in fiscal trouble. As someone who has worked for suppliers to the olympic games I can tell you that each olympic committee and operation is the scale of a fortune 500 company.

The one narrative that Romney is fucking up is the healthcare bill he signed in Mass... He is probably saving it for the debates... The narrative is going to change from repeal to fine tuning... and he will discuss that Romney care ran into cost overruns just like obamacare is already projecting.

...And Obama isn't exactly touting the ACA as strongly as you would think he would. The next several months is going to be interesting.

sanepride said @ 9:41pm GMT on 13th Jul
The Olympics of course are a business. I wouldn't count that stint as 'governing'. My point is that 'businessman', successful or not, is an irrelevant qualification for political office. Otherwise his resume as actual elected official consists of his one 4-year term as Mass. Governor, of which is main achievement was indeed the health care reform that was the model for the ACA. Before being elected President Obama held state or national elected office for over ten years.
Personally I think Mitt would do well to own up to his most visible political legacy. Despite your very interesting prediction I doubt he'll change his 'repeal' line. The cry of 'flip-flop' will will resonate throughout the land. And not only is Obama touting his most visible achievement at every public appearance, he and his team have even embraced and co-opted the Republican pejorative 'Obamacare'.

sanepride said @ 9:44pm GMT on 13th Jul
Hey King- on a different subject, Whadya make of the Drudge rumor of Condi as Mitt's VP choice?

King of the Hill said @ 4:35am GMT on 14th Jul
Look... I don't even know if I'm voting ( I will vote for local and state )... Said that before... So take this for what it is worth as I'm not following politics quite as passionately as of late... Well.. maybe following more passively would be the proper way to look at it.

I think she is smart, and would make an excellent choice. She obviously has the baggage of the Bush presidency. She is black, and I would love to see the progressives and liberals attack her and what those attacks would be. I remember Powell being called an Uncle Tom and I'm sure some of that would be directed at her too. As good a choice as I think she would be and as accomplished a woman she is, his choosing her would be seen as pandering to the blacks and women to gain points... I hate to think people are so simply minded to think that.

I think Rubio is another excellent pick but again... pandering to the hispanics would be the claim.

He will probably pick someone more innocuous, vanilla if you will. If he does pick Rice or Rubio, then attacks at pandering aside, that would be pretty ballsy.

mrcucumber said @ 3:49pm GMT on 14th Jul
Assume for a minute condi doesn't have the baggage from the bush years. Regardless of her "intelligence" and experience, I think she would be lost as president. If something happened to her president, she'd drop the ball big time.

I say this because I think she is really good at following, not leading. But the whole idea of a black female for vice president is perfectly suited to the GOP. You're right. They would pick her because it would satisfy the negation of the "war on women" and would pick up some support from the black community. That choice would be for manipulation of the voter and ideological reasons, not because she's the right person for the job. GOP MO.

sanepride said @ 4:02pm GMT on 14th Jul
So in other words, for the same reasons McCain picked Palin in 2008. And we know how well that worked out.

Rice of course is about 100x smarter and more capable than Palin but she's a non-starter with the base, being pro-choice and all.

mrcucumber said @ 7:10pm GMT on 14th Jul
Palin is a dolt, and it was too hard for moderate republicans to overlook, I think. I also think they did probably get women voters because of it, just not enough, or enough to be noticed as a result of a woman vp candidate.

Condi is pro choice? I wonder how the GOP would spin that into pro life during a campaign.

sanepride said @ 10:53pm GMT on 14th Jul
Hey things happen. Romney was once pro-choice.

Naruki said @ 12:08am GMT on 15th Jul [Score:-1 WTF]
But then he got married, so it was okay to have kids...

bbqkink said @ 12:17am GMT on 15th Jul
How do you get from here...

"I have my own beliefs, and those beliefs are very dear to me. One of them is that I do not impose my beliefs on other people. Many, many years ago, I had a dear, close family relative that was very close to me who passed away from an illegal abortion. It is since that time that my mother and my family have been committed to the belief that we can believe as we want, but we will not force our beliefs on others on that matter. And you will not see me wavering on that."

to lock up women who have an abortion and close down all planed parenthoods.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/06/13/1099888/-THE-VETTING-Mitt-Romney-s-Brush-With-A-Tragic-Back-Alley-Abortion

bbqkink said @ 10:30pm GMT on 13th Jul
George was from all I can tell was a good Governor and if he had said I have been lied to, instead of I had been brainwashed, he may have been President.

Kind of ironic his dad could have been president if he had said the word lie and mitt probably won't be because all he does is lie.

bbqkink said @ 10:33pm GMT on 13th Jul
Wrong thread please disregard

yennef said @ 6:43pm GMT on 13th Jul [Score:1 Underrated]

Supreme_Coconut said @ 10:57pm GMT on 13th Jul
I'm so glad I wasn't the only person that thought of this song when they saw the title.

bbqkink said @ 8:15pm GMT on 13th Jul
After more than six months of marveling at Mitt Romney's propensity for falsehoods, I have to admit it was unsettling to see his campaign's new attack ad, launched yesterday. The spot accuses President Obama of making "untrue" claims about Romney shipping jobs overseas -- Obama's claims are actually quite credible -- and concludes that the president is running a "dishonest campaign."

Think about that for a moment. The candidate whose entire campaign has been built on one falsehood after another, the candidate whose dishonesty is routinely characterized as "almost pathological," the candidate whose near-constant lying puts him in a league of his own among modern politicians, is complaining that his rival is taking liberties with the facts.

There's dishonesty in politics, and then there's meta-dishonesty in politics.

Romney's spokesperson this week declared, "America deserves ... a president who's willing to tell the truth." That seems more than fair. Perhaps the Romney camp can reevaluate that demand after reading the 25th installment of my weekly series, chronicling Mitt's mendacity

http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/13/12725671-chronicling-mitts-mendacity-vol-xxv

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Boston Globe "They did ask for a corections, but they are not going to get one because they have been unable to show that any of out reporting was inaccurate."

Visit msnbc.com for breaking news, world news, and news about the economy

bbqkink said @ 12:33am GMT on 14th Jul
Romney interview with CBS News: Full transcript

On Friday, July 13, 2012, presumptive GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney sat down for interviews with all five networks following several days of heightened criticisms over his time at the private equity firm Bain Capital. Romney defended his work there to CBS News chief political correspondent Jan Crawford, and said the president owes him an apology for his campaign's "reckless and absurd" accusations. Below is a transcript of the full interview. Video clips are also available at CBSNews.com.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57472298/romney-interview-with-cbs-news-full-transcript/

kichijoii said @ 11:13am GMT on 14th Jul
He'll get past it. It's too easy to just spin it as a slip of tongue. I know its a tired stereotype that Republicans think they can erase their guffaws by saying "That's not what I MEANT to say," but it happens, because it works. The voters definitely won't remember this hoopla come election time.

mrcucumber said @ 7:15pm GMT on 14th Jul
I'm hopping somebody will pick it up around late september through november, bringing up every lie and spin and misinformation and disseminate it aggressively.

bbqkink said @ 10:21pm GMT on 14th Jul
MITT ROMNEY: I'm NOT Releasing Any More Tax Returns

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/mitt-romney-tax-returns-romney-says-he-will-not-release-any-more-2012-7#ixzz20dYexTMm

bbqkink said @ 10:32pm GMT on 14th Jul [Score:1 Informative]
More GOP calls for Romney to release tax returns; take a look at his $77K dancing horse tax deduction

http://pamshouseblend.firedoglake.com/2012/07/13/neigh-mitts-77k-dancing-horse-tax-deduction/

bbqkink said @ 10:22pm GMT on 14th Jul