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Wednesday, 4 July 2012

Christian Group Shows Up To Chicago Gay Pride Holding Apologetic Signs

quote [ I hugged a man in his underwear. I think Jesus would have too. ]

Saw this on Facebook, and although from January, I thought it worthy to post. For once, an article about Christians that didn't piss me off. More of this please!

[politics] [by puravida@9:38pmGMT] [+10 Good]

Comments

KingPellinore said @ 9:55pm GMT on 4th Jul
Did the entries just jump 15?

puravida said @ 9:56pm GMT on 4th Jul
???

Ankylosaur said @ 10:19pm GMT on 4th Jul
Someone isn't editing their entry correctly, maybe?

sensibleb said @ 10:25pm GMT on 4th Jul

KingPellinore said @ 10:40pm GMT on 4th Jul
I was expecting a palindrome.

mechanical contrivance said @ 1:25am GMT on 5th Jul [Score:1 Underrated]
Egad, a base tone denotes a bad age.

Better?

graham said @ 2:13am GMT on 5th Jul
Take that, John Roberts.

Ebichuman said @ 10:51am GMT on 5th Jul
Uh oh...What have I destroyed now?

I was using a draft "Post" to test out some stuff. Does that muck up something with the system?

Chop-Logik said @ 5:44pm GMT on 5th Jul [Score:1 Insightful]
UR KILLIN POSTS BOAH

cb361 said @ 7:01pm GMT on 5th Jul
Fossil posts are a limited natural resource.

arrowhen said @ 9:30pm GMT on 5th Jul
America's strategic byte reserves are at an all time low. But you know who has plenty of numerals? The Arabs. Hell, they practically invented the damn things!

Ebichuman said @ 11:55pm GMT on 5th Jul [Score:1 Informative]
The dream is the same every night.

A Native SEer stands before a wasteland of discarded posts, their entry.phps and [no titles] plaintively rustling in the wind. They turn and look at me. It is madpride, and he/she sheds a single tear.

I wake up sobbing, and scream, "How could I be so foolish!? Why- couldn't- I- Listen!?!"

Ankylosaur said @ 6:35pm GMT on 5th Jul [Score:1 Funny]
FUTURE NUMERICAL MILESTONES ARE RENDERED MEANINGLESS!

THIS IS THE DAY FREEDOM DIED!

radioelectric said @ 6:53pm GMT on 5th Jul
I am quite tempted to use this to get us to BOOBIES faster.

lalanda said @ 10:08pm GMT on 4th Jul
Am I the only one who misunderstood "kissed me on the cheek, and gave me the biggest bear hug ever"?

discoLemonade said @ 11:12pm GMT on 4th Jul
bear hug takes on a whole new meaning when you are talking about teh gheys

arrowhen said @ 1:25am GMT on 5th Jul
I found all the talk about "bears" and "twinks" a little confusing when I first started playing World of Warcraft.

discoLemonade said @ 1:39am GMT on 5th Jul [Score:3 Funny]

swiggy said @ 3:59pm GMT on 7th Jul

willrogers said @ 10:10pm GMT on 4th Jul
Damn you for cooling my hot heart! Or was it warming my cold heat? I forget.

Naruki said @ 12:41am GMT on 5th Jul
Somebody needs a man hug...

arrowhen said @ 10:46pm GMT on 4th Jul
Fucking awesome! I needed a feel-good story today.

arrowhen said @ 12:57am GMT on 5th Jul
Well, so much for that. Anyone wanna argue about stupid shit for the rest of the night?

mechanical contrivance said @ 1:27am GMT on 5th Jul [Score:1 Funny]
Kirk vs Picard
emacs vs vi
Mac vs PC
XTC vs Adam Ant

pick one

assbastard said @ 1:34am GMT on 5th Jul
Circumcised vs. Uncircumcised. GO!

arrowhen said @ 4:16am GMT on 5th Jul
Can't we at least kiss a little first?

assbastard said @ 6:14am GMT on 5th Jul
I thought you'd never ask! *puckers up*

assbastard said @ 8:11am GMT on 6th Jul
*Gets stood up*

*weeps dejectedly*

*uses tears as lube*

ahPook said @ 1:57am GMT on 5th Jul
Adamant about Adam Ant. XTC, WTF?

GordonGuano said @ 2:56am GMT on 5th Jul
Bzzt! Listen to English Settlement and try again.

arrowhen said @ 2:15am GMT on 5th Jul
Ackbar
Notepad
PC, dumbass
Joy Division

theolypse said @ 9:58pm GMT on 5th Jul
You dance to Joy Division? Do you celebrate the irony?

arrowhen said @ 10:27pm GMT on 5th Jul
You ever see a video of Ian Curtis "dancing"? Dude looks like Fred Astaire compared to me.

theolypse said @ 1:34am GMT on 6th Jul
You are not a Wombats fan.

arrowhen said @ 4:58am GMT on 6th Jul
Nope, never even heard of them.

theolypse said @ 2:01am GMT on 7th Jul
Anyway, New Order was the superior incarnation.

discoLemonade said @ 2:37am GMT on 5th Jul
ADAM ANT! what kind of question is that anyways?

GordonGuano said @ 2:55am GMT on 5th Jul
The Jam vs. XTC would have been more of a fair fight, but I suspect you still would have picked the loser.

;-)

(Nothing wrong with "Goody Two Shoes", but you haven't lived until you've had sex with Skylarking playing in the background.)

discoLemonade said @ 4:46am GMT on 5th Jul
who says I haven't?
also, i havent.

discoLemonade said @ 4:47am GMT on 5th Jul
also, goody two shoes is okay, but STRIP is my all time favorite.

theolypse said @ 9:59pm GMT on 5th Jul
Somehow unsurprising.

happiest_sadist said @ 6:12am GMT on 5th Jul
Cisko
ed
Alpha
EMF

sanepride said @ 11:23pm GMT on 4th Jul [Score:3 Informative]
Very heartening story and image. Is it too good to be true? Maybe. A little cursory research suggests that the Marin Foundation, the 'Christian group' behind this very public 'conciliation' effort, has ties to and/or advocates 'gay conversion'. Their FAQ page is suspiciously evasive on these issues.
More aspersions here.

ahPook said @ 12:06am GMT on 5th Jul [Score:1 Underrated]
I was happy for a nanosecond.

Naruki said @ 12:42am GMT on 5th Jul
You're fast. Took me much longer to read down to sanepride's comment.

sanepride said @ 3:41am GMT on 5th Jul
That's why I'm here. Spoil the party, bring people down.

GordonGuano said @ 3:53am GMT on 5th Jul
Y'know, some people play tennis.

mechanical contrivance said @ 4:05am GMT on 5th Jul
Some men like the fouling.

dreamingzephyr said @ 4:52pm GMT on 5th Jul [Score:2 Funny]
Some erode the human soul.

spite48 said @ 4:33pm GMT on 6th Jul [Score:1 Insightful]
It's not that I'm a bad person, I just find tears to be delicious.

arrowhen said @ 4:18am GMT on 5th Jul [Score:2 Funny]
But enough about your sex life...

arrowhen said @ 1:12am GMT on 5th Jul [Score:3 Underrated]
I dunno, even if their beliefs are abhorrent, isn't "I'm sorry some of us have been dicks" still better than "burn in hell forever, faggots!"?

sanepride said @ 1:49am GMT on 5th Jul [Score:1 Informative]
If it was a sincere apology, sure. Apparently it isn't. It's one of those 'god loves you even though you're going to burn in hell so we forgive you' things. It's interesting that in his quest to 'stay above the fray' Andrew Marin refuses to publicly acknowledge that that homosexuality isn't a sin and isn't a curable disorder.
In fact, I prefer the up-front honesty of the 'god hates fags' people. At least you know exactly where they stand.

arrowhen said @ 2:42am GMT on 5th Jul
I don't see any reason it couldn't have been a sincere apology -- they're not apologizing for their beliefs, they're apologizing for the actions of some of their fellow believers.

I'm an atheist and I think the world would be a better place if everyone else was too, but if a bunch of atheists went around burning churches or whatever, I could still apologize for their actions in all sincerity, even if my philosophies and those of their victims remained at odds.

sanepride said @ 2:48am GMT on 5th Jul
Sure, I agree with your sentiment. But to use your example, let's say you apologized for the actions of your fellow atheists not in all sincerity, but with the ulterior motive of winning people over to convince them to become atheists. Apparently that's what this is.

arrowhen said @ 3:51am GMT on 5th Jul
OK, let's say I did want to convert all the Christians into atheists. My apology COULD be nothing more than a ploy to further that aim, but on the other hand, along with being a sneaky atheist proselytizer I might ALSO think that people shouldn't be dicks to each other -- even if it's people I agree with being dicks to people I don't agree with. In either case, those two apologies would look fairly similar, and the mere presence of philosophical disagreement, no matter how strong, between myself and those to whom I apologized would not be enough to prove insincerity.

And even if I WAS just bullshitting to further my agenda, that's still a nicer, classier, more grown up way of doing so than the crap I apologized for.

sanepride said @ 4:55am GMT on 5th Jul
Well it's a question of whether it's being nice and apologizing as subterfuge and self-promotion, as Marin's critics suggest.
Thing is, prominent LGBT voices like Dan Savage and Andrew Sullivan seem convinced that Andrew Marin and his foundation are full of shit. Yet, a little searching around and you can find other folks, including LGBT community, who ardently defend him as the real deal. So I'll just leave it at that, and folks who want to believe are free to do so.

bruceski said @ 6:44am GMT on 5th Jul
Yeah, but Savage is a dick, so he assumes everyone else must also be dicks.

damnit said @ 7:28am GMT on 5th Jul
inb4 likes dicks.

anti-crush said @ 12:54pm GMT on 5th Jul [Score:2 Underrated]
This just in...
EVERYONE has an agenda.
That is all.

theolypse said @ 9:55pm GMT on 5th Jul [Score:1 Underrated]
Dude, Savage is a voice, not a spokesman. He speaks for himself, prominent or not.

Hactar said @ 3:13pm GMT on 7th Jul
I'm sorry that you got punched in the face repeatedly by my friend because you're such an asshole. You never should have been punched in the face, asshole.

Sincere apology or not?

theolypse said @ 7:16pm GMT on 7th Jul
Could be. I've made similar apologies in all sincerity. I don't tend to expect fundies to prize restraint in moral combat, or the dignity of the human being, but it's possible.

danshyu said @ 6:59am GMT on 5th Jul
This aside. I kinda find the whole gay pride parade to be kind of counter productive. At least the way it's being run right now. Cause all it does is reinforcing negative stereotypes on the homosexual populations.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/gaypride-parade-sets-mainstream-acceptance-of-gays,351/

Yes, I know it's an onion article. But I'll have to agree with it that the way they run these parades is doing more harm than good on gaining acceptances.

papango said @ 7:16am GMT on 5th Jul [Score:1 Interesting]
It's not about 'being accepted', it's about rights that don't have to be earnt through 'good behaviour'.

GordonGuano said @ 8:02am GMT on 5th Jul
If a dude wants four other dudes to piss in his mouth in the privacy of his own home, more power to him. Enact that on a public sidewalk and I'm gonna take issue. Not because I'm a prude but because I don't want to walk in somebody's pee. So I guess I'd agree with you but argue the converse: bad behavior leads to rights being taken away.

Not that having a parade is a right. But it should be.

papango said @ 8:41am GMT on 5th Jul
What pride parade did that happen at?

The bad behaviour of members of a group (gay, race, bald, whatever) should not lead to rights being taken away from the whole group.

GordonGuano said @ 10:14am GMT on 5th Jul
There's a closet case named Peter Lebarbara who goes around "collecting evidence" (fap material) for his anti-gay activism, which is where I saw the human urinal. Can't remember the city, but the parade Durham, NC held in '09 seemed a much more sedate affair.

Boys will be boys, I guess.

papango said @ 8:20pm GMT on 5th Jul
I'm sure he gives that material the thorough and repeated scrutiny it calls for.

I feel like if the human urinal were a parade standard it'd have got a lot more media attention. But even if it was the main event of the celebration, it still wouldn't justify preventing an old lesbian couple (who've never urinated anywhere they shouldn't have except that one time at Lillith Fair when the toilets got clogged) from getting married.

theolypse said @ 10:02pm GMT on 5th Jul
Well, they don't have to be proud of it...

pleaides said @ 8:44am GMT on 5th Jul [Score:2]
I think there's a lot in what you say, but at the same time it's not like there'll be any point muting their 'gayness' in order to attract public sympathy. That's got it upside down for my money, the point is to normalise gay culture such that the majority are no longer startled or threatened by it by putting it 'out there'.

In my own city of Sydney we kind of led the way in terms of public celebration of gay culture with out annual 'Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras'. It's an annual parade that invites all to come and say hello, and it attracts a lot of what I might term 'mainstream families' to have a look and enjoy the party. It's been incredibly successful in normalising the 'ostentatious' element of gay culture in a positive celebration, which has rather defused homophobia among most people.

I think that this is the best way. It works, and it also sends a positive message along the lines of 'be however you want to be, have a blast and that's cool'. It doesn't require gay people to be 'less obviously gay' for the sake of the rest of us and our stupid sensibilities. It removes the poisonous element of 'shame' from the equation, which is perhaps the most important thing, as it's the cause of innumerable suicides of decent and loving people who ought not be considered different.

danshyu said @ 9:32am GMT on 5th Jul
It has nothing to do with being "less obviously gay". I have no problem with a gay couple holding hands, hugging, or a casual kiss in public. But the way these so called pride parades constantly showing a buncha gay dudes dressing in provocative and overly sexualized costumes dancing against each other is simply not a way to earn respect. Most people would find it inappropriate to see a straight couple going at it in full S&M gears under full public view. So why should gays be treated differently? Maybe it's just the way the pride parade has been managed around here. But the parades are beginning to feel more and more self-degrading these days.

pleaides said @ 9:44am GMT on 5th Jul
I guess I was associating that kind of 'overly provocative' stuff as being the kind of thing you don't want to stop if that's the way they want to behave. It's that behaviour that I was referring to when I said 'less obviously gay'.

GordonGuano said @ 10:19am GMT on 5th Jul
It gets a bit tricky, doesn't it? On the one hand, you don't want to be a prudish Puritan. On the other, you want to believe that evolving away from bonobos was beneficial.

pleaides said @ 10:25am GMT on 5th Jul
I think you've rather hit on the nub of the issue Gordon.

arrowhen said @ 3:27pm GMT on 5th Jul
Yeah, how dare those filthy gays publicly admit that sex is a natural, normal part of the human experience that deserves to be celebrated in all its fascinating variety! Why can't they just be miserable and repressed like the rest of us normal people?

ithaqua10 said @ 3:59pm GMT on 5th Jul
if more people from all sexual "flavors" held parades and public displays the world in general would be a better place.

If conservatives were more open about sex, they wouldn't feel the need to punish the rest of us with their guilt for adultery, prostitution, homosexuality, pornography, etc.

GordonGuano said @ 6:40pm GMT on 5th Jul
We can draw the line at pissing on people in public, though, right? And then NAMBLA is a few steps past that, right?

papango said @ 8:23pm GMT on 5th Jul
I think we can agree that pissing on people (which you saw one time in the collected material of a guy whose a bit fixated on this sort of thing) is not a regular part of gay pride, the celebration or the parade.

And the idea that acceptance of homosexuality means paedophilia is now fine, too is a fine old conservative tactic. I'm surprised you didn't suggest sex with ducks as the next logical step.

arrowhen said @ 9:21pm GMT on 5th Jul
Fuck, fuck, fuck a duck,
screw a kangaroo,
finger bang an orangutan
and blow the whole damn zoo!

Gay Pride Orgnaisers Everywher said @ 9:33pm GMT on 5th Jul [Score:3 Funny]
This float has not been approved by the organising committee.

GordonGuano said @ 9:23pm GMT on 5th Jul
NAMBLA do make it a bit too easy, don't they? When I'm having a paranoid day, I also suspect white supremacists of inventing hip-hop because they were tired of doing all the work in keeping black people down.

arrowhen said @ 8:43pm GMT on 5th Jul [Score:1 Insightful]
One shouldn't piss on people in public because one shouldn't piss in public, not because you (and I, for that matter) think watersports are icky.

GordonGuano said @ 9:21pm GMT on 5th Jul
I'm just checking to make sure I haven't fallen behind the mainstream. (Pun most definitely intended.)

arrowhen said @ 9:24pm GMT on 5th Jul [Score:1 Insightful]
That's comedy gold right there. Truly golden. Shower us with more of your wit!

theolypse said @ 10:00pm GMT on 5th Jul
mad...pride?

danshyu said @ 2:04am GMT on 6th Jul
"Why can't they just be miserable and repressed like the rest of us normal people?"

Why not? They're already pushing gay marriages. One can only assume they do want to be just as "miserable and repressed" like the rest of us.

brat#3 said @ 2:34am GMT on 6th Jul [Score:2 Interesting]
Nothing has humanized gay couples more than for straight people to realize gay couples need to divorce, too.