Saturday, 23 June 2012

You Can't Have It All, At Least Not If You're a Woman

quote [ "Very few women reach leadership positions. [...] 'Women are not making it to the top. A hundred and ninety heads of state; nine are women. Of all the people in parliament in the world, 13 percent are women. In the corporate sector, [the share of] women at the top—C-level jobs, board seats—tops out at 15, 16 percent.'" ]

Interesting article which brings up fundamental issues of work-life balance that are relevant to both men and women.


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Why Women Still Can’t Have It All
It’s time to stop fooling ourselves, says a woman who left a position of power: the women who have managed to be both mothers and top professionals are superhuman, rich, or self-employed. If we truly believe in equal opportunity for all women, here’s what has to change.


By ANNE-MARIE SLAUGHTER

EIGHTEEN MONTHS INTO my job as the first woman director of policy planning at the State Department, a foreign-policy dream job that traces its origins back to George Kennan, I found myself in New York, at the United Nations’ annual assemblage of every foreign minister and head of state in the world. On a Wednesday evening, President and Mrs. Obama hosted a glamorous reception at the American Museum of Natural History. I sipped champagne, greeted foreign dignitaries, and mingled. But I could not stop thinking about my 14-year-old son, who had started eighth grade three weeks earlier and was already resuming what had become his pattern of skipping homework, disrupting classes, failing math, and tuning out any adult who tried to reach him. Over the summer, we had barely spoken to each other—or, more accurately, he had barely spoken to me. And the previous spring I had received several urgent phone calls—invariably on the day of an important meeting—that required me to take the first train from Washington, D.C., where I worked, back to Princeton, New Jersey, where he lived. My husband, who has always done everything possible to support my career, took care of him and his 12-year-old brother during the week; outside of those midweek emergencies, I came home only on weekends.

As the evening wore on, I ran into a colleague who held a senior position in the White House. She has two sons exactly my sons’ ages, but she had chosen to move them from California to D.C. when she got her job, which meant her husband commuted back to California regularly. I told her how difficult I was finding it to be away from my son when he clearly needed me. Then I said, “When this is over, I’m going to write an op-ed titled ‘Women Can’t Have It All.’”

She was horrified. “You can’t write that,” she said. “You, of all people.” What she meant was that such a statement, coming from a high-profile career woman—a role model—would be a terrible signal to younger generations of women. By the end of the evening, she had talked me out of it, but for the remainder of my stint in Washington, I was increasingly aware that the feminist beliefs on which I had built my entire career were shifting under my feet. I had always assumed that if I could get a foreign-policy job in the State Department or the White House while my party was in power, I would stay the course as long as I had the opportunity to do work I loved. But in January 2011, when my two-year public-service leave from Princeton University was up, I hurried home as fast as I could.





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A rude epiphany hit me soon after I got there. When people asked why I had left government, I explained that I’d come home not only because of Princeton’s rules (after two years of leave, you lose your tenure), but also because of my desire to be with my family and my conclusion that juggling high-level government work with the needs of two teenage boys was not possible. I have not exactly left the ranks of full-time career women: I teach a full course load; write regular print and online columns on foreign policy; give 40 to 50 speeches a year; appear regularly on TV and radio; and am working on a new academic book. But I routinely got reactions from other women my age or older that ranged from disappointed (“It’s such a pity that you had to leave Washington”) to condescending (“I wouldn’t generalize from your experience. I’ve never had to compromise, and my kids turned out great”).


The first set of reactions, with the underlying assumption that my choice was somehow sad or unfortunate, was irksome enough. But it was the second set of reactions—those implying that my parenting and/or my commitment to my profession were somehow substandard—that triggered a blind fury. Suddenly, finally, the penny dropped. All my life, I’d been on the other side of this exchange. I’d been the woman smiling the faintly superior smile while another woman told me she had decided to take some time out or pursue a less competitive career track so that she could spend more time with her family. I’d been the woman congratulating herself on her unswerving commitment to the feminist cause, chatting smugly with her dwindling number of college or law-school friends who had reached and maintained their place on the highest rungs of their profession. I’d been the one telling young women at my lectures that you can have it all and do it all, regardless of what field you are in. Which means I’d been part, albeit unwittingly, of making millions of women feel that they are to blame if they cannot manage to rise up the ladder as fast as men and also have a family and an active home life (and be thin and beautiful to boot).

Last spring, I flew to Oxford to give a public lecture. At the request of a young Rhodes Scholar I know, I’d agreed to talk to the Rhodes community about “work-family balance.” I ended up speaking to a group of about 40 men and women in their mid-20s. What poured out of me was a set of very frank reflections on how unexpectedly hard it was to do the kind of job I wanted to do as a high government official and be the kind of parent I wanted to be, at a demanding time for my children (even though my husband, an academic, was willing to take on the lion’s share of parenting for the two years I was in Washington). I concluded by saying that my time in office had convinced me that further government service would be very unlikely while my sons were still at home. The audience was rapt, and asked many thoughtful questions. One of the first was from a young woman who began by thanking me for “not giving just one more fatuous ‘You can have it all’ talk.” Just about all of the women in that room planned to combine careers and family in some way. But almost all assumed and accepted that they would have to make compromises that the men in their lives were far less likely to have to make.

The striking gap between the responses I heard from those young women (and others like them) and the responses I heard from my peers and associates prompted me to write this article. Women of my generation have clung to the feminist credo we were raised with, even as our ranks have been steadily thinned by unresolvable tensions between family and career, because we are determined not to drop the flag for the next generation. But when many members of the younger generation have stopped listening, on the grounds that glibly repeating “you can have it all” is simply airbrushing reality, it is time to talk.

I still strongly believe that women can “have it all” (and that men can too). I believe that we can “have it all at the same time.” But not today, not with the way America’s economy and society are currently structured. My experiences over the past three years have forced me to confront a number of uncomfortable facts that need to be widely acknowledged—and quickly changed.

BEFORE MY SERVICE in government, I’d spent my career in academia: as a law professor and then as the dean of Princeton’s Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs. Both were demanding jobs, but I had the ability to set my own schedule most of the time. I could be with my kids when I needed to be, and still get the work done. I had to travel frequently, but I found I could make up for that with an extended period at home or a family vacation.

I knew that I was lucky in my career choice, but I had no idea how lucky until I spent two years in Washington within a rigid bureaucracy, even with bosses as understanding as Hillary Clinton and her chief of staff, Cheryl Mills. My workweek started at 4:20 on Monday morning, when I got up to get the 5:30 train from Trenton to Washington. It ended late on Friday, with the train home. In between, the days were crammed with meetings, and when the meetings stopped, the writing work began—a never-ending stream of memos, reports, and comments on other people’s drafts. For two years, I never left the office early enough to go to any stores other than those open 24 hours, which meant that everything from dry cleaning to hair appointments to Christmas shopping had to be done on weekends, amid children’s sporting events, music lessons, family meals, and conference calls. I was entitled to four hours of vacation per pay period, which came to one day of vacation a month. And I had it better than many of my peers in D.C.; Secretary Clinton deliberately came in around 8 a.m. and left around 7 p.m., to allow her close staff to have morning and evening time with their families (although of course she worked earlier and later, from home).

In short, the minute I found myself in a job that is typical for the vast majority of working women (and men), working long hours on someone else’s schedule, I could no longer be both the parent and the professional I wanted to be—at least not with a child experiencing a rocky adolescence. I realized what should have perhaps been obvious: having it all, at least for me, depended almost entirely on what type of job I had. The flip side is the harder truth: having it all was not possible in many types of jobs, including high government office—at least not for very long.

I am hardly alone in this realization. Michèle Flournoy stepped down after three years as undersecretary of defense for policy, the third-highest job in the department, to spend more time at home with her three children, two of whom are teenagers. Karen Hughes left her position as the counselor to President George W. Bush after a year and a half in Washington to go home to Texas for the sake of her family. Mary Matalin, who spent two years as an assistant to Bush and the counselor to Vice President Dick Cheney before stepping down to spend more time with her daughters, wrote: “Having control over your schedule is the only way that women who want to have a career and a family can make it work.”

Yet the decision to step down from a position of power—to value family over professional advancement, even for a time—is directly at odds with the prevailing social pressures on career professionals in the United States. One phrase says it all about current attitudes toward work and family, particularly among elites. In Washington, “leaving to spend time with your family” is a euphemism for being fired. This understanding is so ingrained that when Flournoy announced her resignation last December, TheNew York Times covered her decision as follows:


Ms. Flournoy’s announcement surprised friends and a number of Pentagon officials, but all said they took her reason for resignation at face value and not as a standard Washington excuse for an official who has in reality been forced out. “I can absolutely and unequivocally state that her decision to step down has nothing to do with anything other than her commitment to her family,” said Doug Wilson, a top Pentagon spokesman. “She has loved this job and people here love her.

Think about what this “standard Washington excuse” implies: it is so unthinkable that an official would actually step down to spend time with his or her family that this must be a cover for something else. How could anyone voluntarily leave the circles of power for the responsibilities of parenthood? Depending on one’s vantage point, it is either ironic or maddening that this view abides in the nation’s capital, despite the ritual commitments to “family values” that are part of every political campaign. Regardless, this sentiment makes true work-life balance exceptionally difficult. But it cannot change unless top women speak out.

Only recently have I begun to appreciate the extent to which many young professional women feel under assault by women my age and older. After I gave a recent speech in New York, several women in their late 60s or early 70s came up to tell me how glad and proud they were to see me speaking as a foreign-policy expert. A couple of them went on, however, to contrast my career with the path being traveled by “younger women today.” One expressed dismay that many younger women “are just not willing to get out there and do it.” Said another, unaware of the circumstances of my recent job change: “They think they have to choose between having a career and having a family.”

A similar assumption underlies Facebook Chief Operating Officer Sheryl Sandberg’s widely publicized 2011 commencement speech at Barnard, and her earlier TED talk, in which she lamented the dismally small number of women at the top and advised young women not to “leave before you leave.” When a woman starts thinking about having children, Sandberg said, “she doesn’t raise her hand anymore … She starts leaning back.” Although couched in terms of encouragement, Sandberg’s exhortation contains more than a note of reproach. We who have made it to the top, or are striving to get there, are essentially saying to the women in the generation behind us: “What’s the matter with you?”

They have an answer that we don’t want to hear. After the speech I gave in New York, I went to dinner with a group of 30-somethings. I sat across from two vibrant women, one of whom worked at the UN and the other at a big New York law firm. As nearly always happens in these situations, they soon began asking me about work-life balance. When I told them I was writing this article, the lawyer said, “I look for role models and can’t find any.” She said the women in her firm who had become partners and taken on management positions had made tremendous sacrifices, “many of which they don’t even seem to realize … They take two years off when their kids are young but then work like crazy to get back on track professionally, which means that they see their kids when they are toddlers but not teenagers, or really barely at all.” Her friend nodded, mentioning the top professional women she knew, all of whom essentially relied on round-the-clock nannies. Both were very clear that they did not want that life, but could not figure out how to combine professional success and satisfaction with a real commitment to family.

I realize that I am blessed to have been born in the late 1950s instead of the early 1930s, as my mother was, or the beginning of the 20th century, as my grandmothers were. My mother built a successful and rewarding career as a professional artist largely in the years after my brothers and I left home—and after being told in her 20s that she could not go to medical school, as her father had done and her brother would go on to do, because, of course, she was going to get married. I owe my own freedoms and opportunities to the pioneering generation of women ahead of me—the women now in their 60s, 70s, and 80s who faced overt sexism of a kind I see only when watching Mad Men, and who knew that the only way to make it as a woman was to act exactly like a man. To admit to, much less act on, maternal longings would have been fatal to their careers.

But precisely thanks to their progress, a different kind of conversation is now possible. It is time for women in leadership positions to recognize that although we are still blazing trails and breaking ceilings, many of us are also reinforcing a falsehood: that “having it all” is, more than anything, a function of personal determination. As Kerry Rubin and Lia Macko, the authors of Midlife Crisis at 30, their cri de coeur for Gen-X and Gen-Y women, put it:


What we discovered in our research is that while the empowerment part of the equation has been loudly celebrated, there has been very little honest discussion among women of our age about the real barriers and flaws that still exist in the system despite the opportunities we inherited.

I am well aware that the majority of American women face problems far greater than any discussed in this article. I am writing for my demographic—highly educated, well-off women who are privileged enough to have choices in the first place. We may not have choices about whether to do paid work, as dual incomes have become indispensable. But we have choices about the type and tempo of the work we do. We are the women who could be leading, and who should be equally represented in the leadership ranks.

Millions of other working women face much more difficult life circumstances. Some are single mothers; many struggle to find any job; others support husbands who cannot find jobs. Many cope with a work life in which good day care is either unavailable or very expensive; school schedules do not match work schedules; and schools themselves are failing to educate their children. Many of these women are worrying not about having it all, but rather about holding on to what they do have. And although women as a group have made substantial gains in wages, educational attainment, and prestige over the past three decades, the economists Justin Wolfers and Betsey Stevenson have shown that women are less happy today than their predecessors were in 1972, both in absolute terms and relative to men.

The best hope for improving the lot of all women, and for closing what Wolfers and Stevenson call a “new gender gap”—measured by well-being rather than wages—is to close the leadership gap: to elect a woman president and 50 women senators; to ensure that women are equally represented in the ranks of corporate executives and judicial leaders. Only when women wield power in sufficient numbers will we create a society that genuinely works for all women. That will be a society that works for everyone.

The Half-Truths We Hold Dear
Let’s briefly examine the stories we tell ourselves, the clichés that I and many other women typically fall back on when younger women ask us how we have managed to “have it all.” They are not necessarily lies, but at best partial truths. We must clear them out of the way to make room for a more honest and productive discussion about real solutions to the problems faced by professional women.

It’s possible if you are just committed enough.

Our usual starting point, whether we say it explicitly or not, is that having it all depends primarily on the depth and intensity of a woman’s commitment to her career. That is precisely the sentiment behind the dismay so many older career women feel about the younger generation. They are not committed enough, we say, to make the trade-offs and sacrifices that the women ahead of them made.

Yet instead of chiding, perhaps we should face some basic facts. Very few women reach leadership positions. The pool of female candidates for any top job is small, and will only grow smaller if the women who come after us decide to take time out, or drop out of professional competition altogether, to raise children. That is exactly what has Sheryl Sandberg so upset, and rightly so. In her words, “Women are not making it to the top. A hundred and ninety heads of state; nine are women. Of all the people in parliament in the world, 13 percent are women. In the corporate sector, [the share of] women at the top—C-level jobs, board seats—tops out at 15, 16 percent.”

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Can “insufficient commitment” even plausibly explain these numbers? To be sure, the women who do make it to the top are highly committed to their profession. On closer examination, however, it turns out that most of them have something else in common: they are genuine superwomen. Consider the number of women recently in the top ranks in Washington—Susan Rice, Elizabeth Sherwood-Randall, Michelle Gavin, Nancy-Ann Min DeParle—who are Rhodes Scholars. Samantha Power, another senior White House official, won a Pulitzer Prize at age 32. Or consider Sandberg herself, who graduated with the prize given to Harvard’s top student of economics. These women cannot possibly be the standard against which even very talented professional women should measure themselves. Such a standard sets up most women for a sense of failure.

What’s more, among those who have made it to the top, a balanced life still is more elusive for women than it is for men. A simple measure is how many women in top positions have children compared with their male colleagues. Every male Supreme Court justice has a family. Two of the three female justices are single with no children. And the third, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, began her career as a judge only when her younger child was almost grown. The pattern is the same at the National Security Council: Condoleezza Rice, the first and only woman national-security adviser, is also the only national-security adviser since the 1950s not to have a family.

The line of high-level women appointees in the Obama administration is one woman deep. Virtually all of us who have stepped down have been succeeded by men; searches for women to succeed men in similar positions come up empty. Just about every woman who could plausibly be tapped is already in government. The rest of the foreign-policy world is not much better; Micah Zenko, a fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, recently surveyed the best data he could find across the government, the military, the academy, and think tanks, and found that women hold fewer than 30 percent of the senior foreign-policy positions in each of these institutions.

These numbers are all the more striking when we look back to the 1980s, when women now in their late 40s and 50s were coming out of graduate school, and remember that our classes were nearly 50-50 men and women. We were sure then that by now, we would be living in a 50-50 world. Something derailed that dream.

Sandberg thinks that “something” is an “ambition gap”—that women do not dream big enough. I am all for encouraging young women to reach for the stars. But I fear that the obstacles that keep women from reaching the top are rather more prosaic than the scope of their ambition. My longtime and invaluable assistant, who has a doctorate and juggles many balls as the mother of teenage twins, e-mailed me while I was working on this article: “You know what would help the vast majority of women with work/family balance? MAKE SCHOOL SCHEDULES MATCH WORK SCHEDULES.” The present system, she noted, is based on a society that no longer exists—one in which farming was a major occupation and stay-at-home moms were the norm. Yet the system hasn’t changed.

Consider some of the responses of women interviewed by Zenko about why “women are significantly underrepresented in foreign policy and national security positions in government, academia, and think tanks.” Juliette Kayyem, who served as an assistant secretary in the Department of Homeland Security from 2009 to 2011 and now writes a foreign-policy and national-security column for The Boston Globe, told Zenko that among other reasons,


the basic truth is also this: the travel sucks. As my youngest of three children is now 6, I can look back at the years when they were all young and realize just how disruptive all the travel was. There were also trips I couldn’t take because I was pregnant or on leave, the conferences I couldn’t attend because (note to conference organizers: weekends are a bad choice) kids would be home from school, and the various excursions that were offered but just couldn’t be managed.

Jolynn Shoemaker, the director of Women in International Security, agreed: “Inflexible schedules, unrelenting travel, and constant pressure to be in the office are common features of these jobs.”

These “mundane” issues—the need to travel constantly to succeed, the conflicts between school schedules and work schedules, the insistence that work be done in the office—cannot be solved by exhortations to close the ambition gap. I would hope to see commencement speeches that finger America’s social and business policies, rather than women’s level of ambition, in explaining the dearth of women at the top. But changing these policies requires much more than speeches. It means fighting the mundane battles—every day, every year—in individual workplaces, in legislatures, and in the media.

It’s possible if you marry the right person.

Sandberg’s second message in her Barnard commencement address was: “The most important career decision you’re going to make is whether or not you have a life partner and who that partner is.” Lisa Jackson, the administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency, recently drove that message home to an audience of Princeton students and alumni gathered to hear her acceptance speech for the James Madison Medal. During the Q&A session, an audience member asked her how she managed her career and her family. She laughed and pointed to her husband in the front row, saying: “There’s my work-life balance.” I could never have had the career I have had without my husband, Andrew Moravcsik, who is a tenured professor of politics and international affairs at Princeton. Andy has spent more time with our sons than I have, not only on homework, but also on baseball, music lessons, photography, card games, and more. When each of them had to bring in a foreign dish for his fourth-grade class dinner, Andy made his grandmother’s Hungarian palacsinta; when our older son needed to memorize his lines for a lead role in a school play, he turned to Andy for help.

Still, the proposition that women can have high-powered careers as long as their husbands or partners are willing to share the parenting load equally (or disproportionately) assumes that most women will feel as comfortable as men do about being away from their children, as long as their partner is home with them. In my experience, that is simply not the case.

Here I step onto treacherous ground, mined with stereotypes. From years of conversations and observations, however, I’ve come to believe that men and women respond quite differently when problems at home force them to recognize that their absence is hurting a child, or at least that their presence would likely help. I do not believe fathers love their children any less than mothers do, but men do seem more likely to choose their job at a cost to their family, while women seem more likely to choose their family at a cost to their job.

Many factors determine this choice, of course. Men are still socialized to believe that their primary family obligation is to be the breadwinner; women, to believe that their primary family obligation is to be the caregiver. But it may be more than that. When I described the choice between my children and my job to Senator Jeanne Shaheen, she said exactly what I felt: “There’s really no choice.” She wasn’t referring to social expectations, but to a maternal imperative felt so deeply that the “choice” is reflexive.

Men and women also seem to frame the choice differently. In Midlife Crisis at 30, Mary Matalin recalls her days working as President Bush’s assistant and Vice President Cheney’s counselor:


Even when the stress was overwhelming—those days when I’d cry in the car on the way to work, asking myself “Why am I doing this??”—I always knew the answer to that question: I believe in this president.

But Matalin goes on to describe her choice to leave in words that are again uncannily similar to the explanation I have given so many people since leaving the State Department:


I finally asked myself, “Who needs me more?” And that’s when I realized, it’s somebody else’s turn to do this job. I’m indispensable to my kids, but I’m not close to indispensable to the White House.

To many men, however, the choice to spend more time with their children, instead of working long hours on issues that affect many lives, seems selfish. Male leaders are routinely praised for having sacrificed their personal life on the altar of public or corporate service. That sacrifice, of course, typically involves their family. Yet their children, too, are trained to value public service over private responsibility. At the diplomat Richard Holbrooke’s memorial service, one of his sons told the audience that when he was a child, his father was often gone, not around to teach him to throw a ball or to watch his games. But as he grew older, he said, he realized that Holbrooke’s absence was the price of saving people around the world—a price worth paying.

It is not clear to me that this ethical framework makes sense for society. Why should we want leaders who fall short on personal responsibilities? Perhaps leaders who invested time in their own families would be more keenly aware of the toll their public choices—on issues from war to welfare—take on private lives. (Kati Marton, Holbrooke’s widow and a noted author, says that although Holbrooke adored his children, he came to appreciate the full importance of family only in his 50s, at which point he became a very present parent and grandparent, while continuing to pursue an extraordinary public career.) Regardless, it is clear which set of choices society values more today. Workers who put their careers first are typically rewarded; workers who choose their families are overlooked, disbelieved, or accused of unprofessionalism.

In sum, having a supportive mate may well be a necessary condition if women are to have it all, but it is not sufficient. If women feel deeply that turning down a promotion that would involve more travel, for instance, is the right thing to do, then they will continue to do that. Ultimately, it is society that must change, coming to value choices to put family ahead of work just as much as those to put work ahead of family. If we really valued those choices, we would value the people who make them; if we valued the people who make them, we would do everything possible to hire and retain them; if we did everything possible to allow them to combine work and family equally over time, then the choices would get a lot easier.

It’s possible if you sequence it right.

Young women should be wary of the assertion “You can have it all; you just can’t have it all at once.” This 21st-century addendum to the original line is now proffered by many senior women to their younger mentees. To the extent that it means, in the words of one working mother, “I’m going to do my best and I’m going to keep the long term in mind and know that it’s not always going to be this hard to balance,” it is sound advice. But to the extent that it means that women can have it all if they just find the right sequence of career and family, it’s cheerfully wrong.

The most important sequencing issue is when to have children. Many of the top women leaders of the generation just ahead of me—Madeleine Albright, Hillary Clinton, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Sandra Day O’Connor, Patricia Wald, Nannerl Keohane—had their children in their 20s and early 30s, as was the norm in the 1950s through the 1970s. A child born when his mother is 25 will finish high school when his mother is 43, an age at which, with full-time immersion in a career, she still has plenty of time and energy for advancement.

Yet this sequence has fallen out of favor with many high-potential women, and understandably so. People tend to marry later now, and anyway, if you have children earlier, you may have difficulty getting a graduate degree, a good first job, and opportunities for advancement in the crucial early years of your career. Making matters worse, you will also have less income while raising your children, and hence less ability to hire the help that can be indispensable to your juggling act.

When I was the dean, the Woodrow Wilson School created a program called Pathways to Public Service, aimed at advising women whose children were almost grown about how to go into public service, and many women still ask me about the best “on-ramps” to careers in their mid-40s. Honestly, I’m not sure what to tell most of them. Unlike the pioneering women who entered the workforce after having children in the 1970s, these women are competing with their younger selves. Government and NGO jobs are an option, but many careers are effectively closed off. Personally, I have never seen a woman in her 40s enter the academic market successfully, or enter a law firm as a junior associate, Alicia Florrick of The Good Wife notwithstanding.

These considerations are why so many career women of my generation chose to establish themselves in their careers first and have children in their mid-to-late 30s. But that raises the possibility of spending long, stressful years and a small fortune trying to have a baby. I lived that nightmare: for three years, beginning at age 35, I did everything possible to conceive and was frantic at the thought that I had simply left having a biological child until it was too late.

And when everything does work out? I had my first child at 38 (and counted myself blessed) and my second at 40. That means I will be 58 when both of my children are out of the house. What’s more, it means that many peak career opportunities are coinciding precisely with their teenage years, when, experienced parents advise, being available as a parent is just as important as in the first years of a child’s life.

Many women of my generation have found themselves, in the prime of their careers, saying no to opportunities they once would have jumped at and hoping those chances come around again later. Many others who have decided to step back for a while, taking on consultant positions or part-time work that lets them spend more time with their children (or aging parents), are worrying about how long they can “stay out” before they lose the competitive edge they worked so hard to acquire.

Given the way our work culture is oriented today, I recommend establishing yourself in your career first but still trying to have kids before you are 35—or else freeze your eggs, whether you are married or not. You may well be a more mature and less frustrated parent in your 30s or 40s; you are also more likely to have found a lasting life partner. But the truth is, neither sequence is optimal, and both involve trade-offs that men do not have to make.

You should be able to have a family if you want one—however and whenever your life circumstances allow—and still have the career you desire. If more women could strike this balance, more women would reach leadership positions. And if more women were in leadership positions, they could make it easier for more women to stay in the workforce. The rest of this essay details how.

Changing the Culture of Face Time
Back in the Reagan administration, a New York Times story about the ferociously competitive budget director Dick Darman reported, “Mr. Darman sometimes managed to convey the impression that he was the last one working in the Reagan White House by leaving his suit coat on his chair and his office light burning after he left for home.” (Darman claimed that it was just easier to leave his suit jacket in the office so he could put it on again in the morning, but his record of psychological manipulation suggests otherwise.)

The culture of “time macho”—a relentless competition to work harder, stay later, pull more all-nighters, travel around the world and bill the extra hours that the international date line affords you—remains astonishingly prevalent among professionals today. Nothing captures the belief that more time equals more value better than the cult of billable hours afflicting large law firms across the country and providing exactly the wrong incentives for employees who hope to integrate work and family. Yet even in industries that don’t explicitly reward sheer quantity of hours spent on the job, the pressure to arrive early, stay late, and be available, always, for in-person meetings at 11 a.m. on Saturdays can be intense. Indeed, by some measures, the problem has gotten worse over time: a study by the Center for American Progress reports that nationwide, the share of all professionals—women and men—working more than 50 hours a week has increased since the late 1970s.

But more time in the office does not always mean more “value added”—and it does not always add up to a more successful organization. In 2009, Sandra Pocharski, a senior female partner at Monitor Group and the head of the firm’s Leadership and Organization practice, commissioned a Harvard Business School professor to assess the factors that helped or hindered women’s effectiveness and advancement at Monitor. The study found that the company’s culture was characterized by an “always on” mode of working, often without due regard to the impact on employees. Pocharski observed:


Clients come first, always, and sometimes burning the midnight oil really does make the difference between success and failure. But sometimes we were just defaulting to behavior that overloaded our people without improving results much, if at all. We decided we needed managers to get better at distinguishing between these categories, and to recognize the hidden costs of assuming that “time is cheap.” When that time doesn’t add a lot of value and comes at a high cost to talented employees, who will leave when the personal cost becomes unsustainable—well, that is clearly a bad outcome for everyone.

I have worked very long hours and pulled plenty of all-nighters myself over the course of my career, including a few nights on my office couch during my two years in D.C. Being willing to put the time in when the job simply has to get done is rightfully a hallmark of a successful professional. But looking back, I have to admit that my assumption that I would stay late made me much less efficient over the course of the day than I might have been, and certainly less so than some of my colleagues, who managed to get the same amount of work done and go home at a decent hour. If Dick Darman had had a boss who clearly valued prioritization and time management, he might have found reason to turn out the lights and take his jacket home.

Long hours are one thing, and realistically, they are often unavoidable. But do they really need to be spent at the office? To be sure, being in the office some of the time is beneficial. In-person meetings can be far more efficient than phone or e-mail tag; trust and collegiality are much more easily built up around the same physical table; and spontaneous conversations often generate good ideas and lasting relationships. Still, armed with e-mail, instant messaging, phones, and videoconferencing technology, we should be able to move to a culture where the office is a base of operations more than the required locus of work.

Being able to work from home—in the evening after children are put to bed, or during their sick days or snow days, and at least some of the time on weekends—can be the key, for mothers, to carrying your full load versus letting a team down at crucial moments. State-of-the-art videoconferencing facilities can dramatically reduce the need for long business trips. These technologies are making inroads, and allowing easier integration of work and family life. According to the Women’s Business Center, 61 percent of women business owners use technology to “integrate the responsibilities of work and home”; 44 percent use technology to allow employees “to work off-site or to have flexible work schedules.” Yet our work culture still remains more office-centered than it needs to be, especially in light of technological advances.

One way to change that is by changing the “default rules” that govern office work—the baseline expectations about when, where, and how work will be done. As behavioral economists well know, these baselines can make an enormous difference in the way people act. It is one thing, for instance, for an organization to allow phone-ins to a meeting on an ad hoc basis, when parenting and work schedules collide—a system that’s better than nothing, but likely to engender guilt among those calling in, and possibly resentment among those in the room. It is quite another for that organization to declare that its policy will be to schedule in-person meetings, whenever possible, during the hours of the school day—a system that might normalize call-ins for those (rarer) meetings still held in the late afternoon.

One real-world example comes from the British Foreign and Commonwealth Office, a place most people are more likely to associate with distinguished gentlemen in pinstripes than with progressive thinking about work-family balance. Like so many other places, however, the FCO worries about losing talented members of two-career couples around the world, particularly women. So it recently changed its basic policy from a default rule that jobs have to be done on-site to one that assumes that some jobs might be done remotely, and invites workers to make the case for remote work. Kara Owen, a career foreign-service officer who was the FCO’s diversity director and will soon become the British deputy ambassador to France, writes that she has now done two remote jobs. Before her current maternity leave, she was working a London job from Dublin to be with her partner, using teleconferencing technology and timing her trips to London to coincide “with key meetings where I needed to be in the room (or chatting at the pre-meeting coffee) to have an impact, or to do intensive ‘network maintenance.’” In fact, she writes, “I have found the distance and quiet to be a real advantage in a strategic role, providing I have put in the investment up front to develop very strong personal relationships with the game changers.” Owen recognizes that not every job can be done this way. But she says that for her part, she has been able to combine family requirements with her career.

Changes in default office rules should not advantage parents over other workers; indeed, done right, they can improve relations among co-workers by raising their awareness of each other’s circumstances and instilling a sense of fairness. Two years ago, the ACLU Foundation of Massachusetts decided to replace its “parental leave” policy with a “family leave” policy that provides for as much as 12 weeks of leave not only for new parents, but also for employees who need to care for a spouse, child, or parent with a serious health condition. According to Director Carol Rose, “We wanted a policy that took into account the fact that even employees who do not have children have family obligations.” The policy was shaped by the belief that giving women “special treatment” can “backfire if the broader norms shaping the behavior of all employees do not change.” When I was the dean of the Wilson School, I managed with the mantra “Family comes first”—any family—and found that my employees were both productive and intensely loyal.

None of these changes will happen by themselves, and reasons to avoid them will seldom be hard to find. But obstacles and inertia are usually surmountable if leaders are open to changing their assumptions about the workplace. The use of technology in many high-level government jobs, for instance, is complicated by the need to have access to classified information. But in 2009, Deputy Secretary of State James Steinberg, who shares the parenting of his two young daughters equally with his wife, made getting such access at home an immediate priority so that he could leave the office at a reasonable hour and participate in important meetings via videoconferencing if necessary. I wonder how many women in similar positions would be afraid to ask, lest they be seen as insufficiently committed to their jobs.

Revaluing Family Values
While employers shouldn’t privilege parents over other workers, too often they end up doing the opposite, usually subtly, and usually in ways that make it harder for a primary caregiver to get ahead. Many people in positions of power seem to place a low value on child care in comparison with other outside activities. Consider the following proposition: An employer has two equally talented and productive employees. One trains for and runs marathons when he is not working. The other takes care of two children. What assumptions is the employer likely to make about the marathon runner? That he gets up in the dark every day and logs an hour or two running before even coming into the office, or drives himself to get out there even after a long day. That he is ferociously disciplined and willing to push himself through distraction, exhaustion, and days when nothing seems to go right in the service of a goal far in the distance. That he must manage his time exceptionally well to squeeze all of that in.

Be honest: Do you think the employer makes those same assumptions about the parent? Even though she likely rises in the dark hours before she needs to be at work, organizes her children’s day, makes breakfast, packs lunch, gets them off to school, figures out shopping and other errands even if she is lucky enough to have a housekeeper—and does much the same work at the end of the day. Cheryl Mills, Hillary Clinton’s indefatigable chief of staff, has twins in elementary school; even with a fully engaged husband, she famously gets up at four every morning to check and send e-mails before her kids wake up. Louise Richardson, now the vice chancellor of the University of St. Andrews, in Scotland, combined an assistant professorship in government at Harvard with mothering three young children. She organized her time so ruthlessly that she always keyed in 1:11 or 2:22 or 3:33 on the microwave rather than 1:00, 2:00, or 3:00, because hitting the same number three times took less time.

Elizabeth Warren, who is now running for the U.S. Senate in Massachusetts, has a similar story. When she had two young children and a part-time law practice, she struggled to find enough time to write the papers and articles that would help get her an academic position. In her words:


I needed a plan. I figured out that writing time was when Alex was asleep. So the minute I put him down for a nap or he fell asleep in the baby swing, I went to my desk and started working on something—footnotes, reading, outlining, writing … I learned to do everything else with a baby on my hip.

The discipline, organization, and sheer endurance it takes to succeed at top levels with young children at home is easily comparable to running 20 to 40 miles a week. But that’s rarely how employers see things, not only when making allowances, but when making promotions. Perhaps because people choose to have children? People also choose to run marathons.

One final example: I have worked with many Orthodox Jewish men who observed the Sabbath from sundown on Friday until sundown on Saturday. Jack Lew, the two-time director of the Office of Management and Budget, former deputy secretary of state for management and resources, and now White House chief of staff, is a case in point. Jack’s wife lived in New York when he worked in the State Department, so he would leave the office early enough on Friday afternoon to take the shuttle to New York and a taxi to his apartment before sundown. He would not work on Friday after sundown or all day Saturday. Everyone who knew him, including me, admired his commitment to his faith and his ability to carve out the time for it, even with an enormously demanding job.

It is hard to imagine, however, that we would have the same response if a mother told us she was blocking out mid-Friday afternoon through the end of the day on Saturday, every week, to spend time with her children. I suspect this would be seen as unprofessional, an imposition of unnecessary costs on co-workers. In fact, of course, one of the great values of the Sabbath—whether Jewish or Christian—is precisely that it carves out a family oasis, with rituals and a mandatory setting-aside of work.

Our assumptions are just that: things we believe that are not necessarily so. Yet what we assume has an enormous impact on our perceptions and responses. Fortunately, changing our assumptions is up to us.

Redefining the Arc of a Successful Career
The American definition of a successful professional is someone who can climb the ladder the furthest in the shortest time, generally peaking between ages 45 and 55. It is a definition well suited to the mid-20th century, an era when people had kids in their 20s, stayed in one job, retired at 67, and were dead, on average, by age 71.

It makes far less sense today. Average life expectancy for people in their 20s has increased to 80; men and women in good health can easily work until they are 75. They can expect to have multiple jobs and even multiple careers throughout their working life. Couples marry later, have kids later, and can expect to live on two incomes. They may well retire earlier—the average retirement age has gone down from 67 to 63—but that is commonly “retirement” only in the sense of collecting retirement benefits. Many people go on to “encore” careers.

Assuming the priceless gifts of good health and good fortune, a professional woman can thus expect her working life to stretch some 50 years, from her early or mid-20s to her mid-70s. It is reasonable to assume that she will build her credentials and establish herself, at least in her first career, between 22 and 35; she will have children, if she wants them, sometime between 25 and 45; she’ll want maximum flexibility and control over her time in the 10 years that her children are 8 to 18; and she should plan to take positions of maximum authority and demands on her time after her children are out of the house. Women who have children in their late 20s can expect to immerse themselves completely in their careers in their late 40s, with plenty of time still to rise to the top in their late 50s and early 60s. Women who make partner, managing director, or senior vice president; get tenure; or establish a medical practice before having children in their late 30s should be coming back on line for the most demanding jobs at almost exactly the same age.

Along the way, women should think about the climb to leadership not in terms of a straight upward slope, but as irregular stair steps, with periodic plateaus (and even dips) when they turn down promotions to remain in a job that works for their family situation; when they leave high-powered jobs and spend a year or two at home on a reduced schedule; or when they step off a conventional professional track to take a consulting position or project-based work for a number of years. I think of these plateaus as “investment intervals.” My husband and I took a sabbatical in Shanghai, from August 2007 to May 2008, right in the thick of an election year when many of my friends were advising various candidates on foreign-policy issues. We thought of the move in part as “putting money in the family bank,” taking advantage of the opportunity to spend a close year together in a foreign culture. But we were also investing in our children’s ability to learn Mandarin and in our own knowledge of Asia.

Peaking in your late 50s and early 60s rather than your late 40s and early 50s makes particular sense for women, who live longer than men. And many of the stereotypes about older workers simply do not hold. A 2006 survey of human-resources professionals shows that only 23 percent think older workers are less flexible than younger workers; only 11 percent think older workers require more training than younger workers; and only 7 percent think older workers have less drive than younger workers.

Whether women will really have the confidence to stair-step their careers, however, will again depend in part on perceptions. Slowing down the rate of promotions, taking time out periodically, pursuing an alternative path during crucial parenting or parent-care years—all have to become more visible and more noticeably accepted as a pause rather than an opt-out. (In an encouraging sign, Mass Career Customization, a 2007 book by Cathleen Benko and Anne Weisberg arguing that “today’s career is no longer a straight climb up the corporate ladder, but rather a combination of climbs, lateral moves, and planned descents,” was a Wall Street Journal best seller.)

Institutions can also take concrete steps to promote this acceptance. For instance, in 1970, Princeton established a tenure-extension policy that allowed female assistant professors expecting a child to request a one-year extension on their tenure clocks. This policy was later extended to men, and broadened to include adoptions. In the early 2000s, two reports on the status of female faculty discovered that only about 3 percent of assistant professors requested tenure extensions in a given year. And in response to a survey question, women were much more likely than men to think that a tenure extension would be detrimental to an assistant professor’s career.

So in 2005, under President Shirley Tilghman, Princeton changed the default rule. The administration announced that all assistant professors, female and male, who had a new child would automatically receive a one-year extension on the tenure clock, with no opt-outs allowed. Instead, assistant professors could request early consideration for tenure if they wished. The number of assistant professors who receive a tenure extension has tripled since the change.

One of the best ways to move social norms in this direction is to choose and celebrate different role models. New Jersey Governor Chris Christie and I are poles apart politically, but he went way up in my estimation when he announced that one reason he decided against running for president in 2012 was the impact his campaign would have had on his children. He reportedly made clear at a fund-raiser in Louisiana that he didn’t want to be away from his children for long periods of time; according to a Republican official at the event, he said that “his son [missed] him after being gone for the three days on the road, and that he needed to get back.” He may not get my vote if and when he does run for president, but he definitely gets my admiration (providing he doesn’t turn around and join the GOP ticket this fall).

If we are looking for high-profile female role models, we might begin with Michelle Obama. She started out with the same résumé as her husband, but has repeatedly made career decisions designed to let her do work she cared about and also be the kind of parent she wanted to be. She moved from a high-powered law firm first to Chicago city government and then to the University of Chicago shortly before her daughters were born, a move that let her work only 10 minutes away from home. She has spoken publicly and often about her initial concerns that her husband’s entry into politics would be bad for their family life, and about her determination to limit her participation in the presidential election campaign to have more time at home. Even as first lady, she has been adamant that she be able to balance her official duties with family time. We should see her as a full-time career woman, but one who is taking a very visible investment interval. We should celebrate her not only as a wife, mother, and champion of healthy eating, but also as a woman who has had the courage and judgment to invest in her daughters when they need her most. And we should expect a glittering career from her after she leaves the White House and her daughters leave for college.

Rediscovering the Pursuit of Happiness
One of the most complicated and surprising parts of my journey out of Washington was coming to grips with what I really wanted. I had opportunities to stay on, and I could have tried to work out an arrangement allowing me to spend more time at home. I might have been able to get my family to join me in Washington for a year; I might have been able to get classified technology installed at my house the way Jim Steinberg did; I might have been able to commute only four days a week instead of five. (While this last change would have still left me very little time at home, given the intensity of my job, it might have made the job doable for another year or two.) But I realized that I didn’t just need to go home. Deep down, I wanted to go home. I wanted to be able to spend time with my children in the last few years that they are likely to live at home, crucial years for their development into responsible, productive, happy, and caring adults. But also irreplaceable years for me to enjoy the simple pleasures of parenting—baseball games, piano recitals, waffle breakfasts, family trips, and goofy rituals. My older son is doing very well these days, but even when he gives us a hard time, as all teenagers do, being home to shape his choices and help him make good decisions is deeply satisfying.

The flip side of my realization is captured in Macko and Rubin’s ruminations on the importance of bringing the different parts of their lives together as 30-year-old women:


If we didn’t start to learn how to integrate our personal, social, and professional lives, we were about five years away from morphing into the angry woman on the other side of a mahogany desk who questions her staff’s work ethic after standard 12-hour workdays, before heading home to eat moo shoo pork in her lonely apartment.

Women have contributed to the fetish of the one-dimensional life, albeit by necessity. The pioneer generation of feminists walled off their personal lives from their professional personas to ensure that they could never be discriminated against for a lack of commitment to their work. When I was a law student in the 1980s, many women who were then climbing the legal hierarchy in New York firms told me that they never admitted to taking time out for a child’s doctor appointment or school performance, but instead invented a much more neutral excuse.

Today, however, women in power can and should change that environment, although change is not easy. When I became dean of the Woodrow Wilson School, in 2002, I decided that one of the advantages of being a woman in power was that I could help change the norms by deliberately talking about my children and my desire to have a balanced life. Thus, I would end faculty meetings at 6 p.m. by saying that I had to go home for dinner; I would also make clear to all student organizations that I would not come to dinner with them, because I needed to be home from six to eight, but that I would often be willing to come back after eight for a meeting. I also once told the Dean’s Advisory Committee that the associate dean would chair the next session so I could go to a parent-teacher conference.

After a few months of this, several female assistant professors showed up in my office quite agitated. “You have to stop talking about your kids,” one said. “You are not showing the gravitas that people expect from a dean, which is particularly damaging precisely because you are the first woman dean of the school.” I told them that I was doing it deliberately and continued my practice, but it is interesting that gravitas and parenthood don’t seem to go together.

Ten years later, whenever I am introduced at a lecture or other speaking engagement, I insist that the person introducing me mention that I have two sons. It seems odd to me to list degrees, awards, positions, and interests and not include the dimension of my life that is most important to me—and takes an enormous amount of my time. As Secretary Clinton once said in a television interview in Beijing when the interviewer asked her about Chelsea’s upcoming wedding: “That’s my real life.” But I notice that my male introducers are typically uncomfortable when I make the request. They frequently say things like “And she particularly wanted me to mention that she has two sons”—thereby drawing attention to the unusual nature of my request, when my entire purpose is to make family references routine and normal in professional life.

This does not mean that you should insist that your colleagues spend time cooing over pictures of your baby or listening to the prodigious accomplishments of your kindergartner. It does mean that if you are late coming in one week, because it is your turn to drive the kids to school, that you be honest about what you are doing. Indeed, Sheryl Sandberg recently acknowledged not only that she leaves work at 5:30 to have dinner with her family, but also that for many years she did not dare make this admission, even though she would of course make up the work time later in the evening. Her willingness to speak out now is a strong step in the right direction.

Seeking out a more balanced life is not a women’s issue; balance would be better for us all. Bronnie Ware, an Australian blogger who worked for years in palliative care and is the author of the 2011 book The Top Five Regrets of the Dying, writes that the regret she heard most often was “I wish I’d had the courage to live a life true to myself, not the life others expected of me.” The second-most-common regret was “I wish I didn’t work so hard.” She writes: “This came from every male patient that I nursed. They missed their children’s youth and their partner’s companionship.”

Juliette Kayyem, who several years ago left the Department of Homeland Security soon after her husband, David Barron, left a high position in the Justice Department, says their joint decision to leave Washington and return to Boston sprang from their desire to work on the “happiness project,” meaning quality time with their three children. (She borrowed the term from her friend Gretchen Rubin, who wrote a best-selling book and now runs a blog with that name.)

It’s time to embrace a national happiness project. As a daughter of Charlottesville, Virginia, the home of Thomas Jefferson and the university he founded, I grew up with the Declaration of Independence in my blood. Last I checked, he did not declare American independence in the name of life, liberty, and professional success. Let us rediscover the pursuit of happiness, and let us start at home.

Innovation Nation
As I write this, I can hear the reaction of some readers to many of the proposals in this essay: It’s all fine and well for a tenured professor to write about flexible working hours, investment intervals, and family-comes-first management. But what about the real world? Most American women cannot demand these things, particularly in a bad economy, and their employers have little incentive to grant them voluntarily. Indeed, the most frequent reaction I get in putting forth these ideas is that when the choice is whether to hire a man who will work whenever and wherever needed, or a woman who needs more flexibility, choosing the man will add more value to the company.

In fact, while many of these issues are hard to quantify and measure precisely, the statistics seem to tell a different story. A seminal study of 527 U.S. companies, published in the Academy of Management Journal in 2000, suggests that “organizations with more extensive work-family policies have higher perceived firm-level performance” among their industry peers. These findings accorded with a 2003 study conducted by Michelle Arthur at the University of Mexico. Examining 130 announcements of family-friendly policies in The Wall Street Journal, Arthur found that the announcements alone significantly improved share prices. In 2011, a study on flexibility in the workplace by Ellen Galinsky, Kelly Sakai, and Tyler Wigton of the Families and Work Institute showed that increased flexibility correlates positively with job engagement, job satisfaction, employee retention, and employee health.

This is only a small sampling from a large and growing literature trying to pin down the relationship between family-friendly policies and economic performance. Other scholars have concluded that good family policies attract better talent, which in turn raises productivity, but that the policies themselves have no impact on productivity. Still others argue that results attributed to these policies are actually a function of good management overall. What is evident, however, is that many firms that recruit and train well-educated professiona
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snowfox said @ 4:37am GMT on 23rd Jun
Last part of article would not fit in extended (guess there is a limit after all). Here it is, hopefully it does not get cut:

Even the legal industry, built around the billable hour, is taking notice. Deborah Epstein Henry, a former big-firm litigator, is now the president of Flex-Time Lawyers, a national consulting firm focused partly on strategies for the retention of female attorneys. In her book Law and Reorder, published by the American Bar Association in 2010, she describes a legal profession “where the billable hour no longer works”; where attorneys, judges, recruiters, and academics all agree that this system of compensation has perverted the industry, leading to brutal work hours, massive inefficiency, and highly inflated costs. The answer—already being deployed in different corners of the industry—is a combination of alternative fee structures, virtual firms, women-owned firms, and the outsourcing of discrete legal jobs to other jurisdictions. Women, and Generation X and Y lawyers more generally, are pushing for these changes on the supply side; clients determined to reduce legal fees and increase flexible service are pulling on the demand side. Slowly, change is happening.

At the core of all this is self-interest. Losing smart and motivated women not only diminishes a company’s talent pool; it also reduces the return on its investment in training and mentoring. In trying to address these issues, some firms are finding out that women’s ways of working may just be better ways of working, for employees and clients alike.

Experts on creativity and innovation emphasize the value of encouraging nonlinear thinking and cultivating randomness by taking long walks or looking at your environment from unusual angles. In their new book, A New Culture of Learning: Cultivating the Imagination for a World of Constant Change, the innovation gurus John Seely Brown and Douglas Thomas write, “We believe that connecting play and imagination may be the single most important step in unleashing the new culture of learning.”

Space for play and imagination is exactly what emerges when rigid work schedules and hierarchies loosen up. Skeptics should consider the “California effect.” California is the cradle of American innovation—in technology, entertainment, sports, food, and lifestyles. It is also a place where people take leisure as seriously as they take work; where companies like Google deliberately encourage play, with Ping-Pong tables, light sabers, and policies that require employees to spend one day a week working on whatever they wish. Charles Baudelaire wrote: “Genius is nothing more nor less than childhood recovered at will.” Google apparently has taken note.

No parent would mistake child care for childhood. Still, seeing the world anew through a child’s eyes can be a powerful source of stimulation. When the Nobel laureate Thomas Schelling wrote The Strategy of Conflict, a classic text applying game theory to conflicts among nations, he frequently drew on child-rearing for examples of when deterrence might succeed or fail. “It may be easier to articulate the peculiar difficulty of constraining [a ruler] by the use of threats,” he wrote, “when one is fresh from a vain attempt at using threats to keep a small child from hurting a dog or a small dog from hurting a child.”

The books I’ve read with my children, the silly movies I’ve watched, the games I’ve played, questions I’ve answered, and people I’ve met while parenting have broadened my world. Another axiom of the literature on innovation is that the more often people with different perspectives come together, the more likely creative ideas are to emerge. Giving workers the ability to integrate their non-work lives with their work—whether they spend that time mothering or marathoning—will open the door to a much wider range of influences and ideas.

Enlisting Men
Perhaps the most encouraging news of all for achieving the sorts of changes that I have proposed is that men are joining the cause. In commenting on a draft of this article, Martha Minow, the dean of the Harvard Law School, wrote me that one change she has observed during 30 years of teaching law at Harvard is that today many young men are asking questions about how they can manage a work-life balance. And more systematic research on Generation Y confirms that many more men than in the past are asking questions about how they are going to integrate active parenthood with their professional lives.

Abstract aspirations are easier than concrete trade-offs, of course. These young men have not yet faced the question of whether they are prepared to give up that more prestigious clerkship or fellowship, decline a promotion, or delay their professional goals to spend more time with their children and to support their partner’s career.

Yet once work practices and work culture begin to evolve, those changes are likely to carry their own momentum. Kara Owen, the British foreign-service officer who worked a London job from Dublin, wrote me in an e-mail:


I think the culture on flexible working started to change the minute the Board of Management (who were all men at the time) started to work flexibly—quite a few of them started working one day a week from home.

Men have, of course, become much more involved parents over the past couple of decades, and that, too, suggests broad support for big changes in the way we balance work and family. It is noteworthy that both James Steinberg, deputy secretary of state, and William Lynn, deputy secretary of defense, stepped down two years into the Obama administration so that they could spend more time with their children (for real).

Going forward, women would do well to frame work-family balance in terms of the broader social and economic issues that affect both women and men. After all, we have a new generation of young men who have been raised by full-time working mothers. Let us presume, as I do with my sons, that they will understand “supporting their families” to mean more than earning money.

I HAVE BEEN BLESSED to work with and be mentored by some extraordinary women. Watching Hillary Clinton in action makes me incredibly proud—of her intelligence, expertise, professionalism, charisma, and command of any audience. I get a similar rush when I see a front-page picture of Christine Lagarde, the managing director of the International Monetary Fund, and Angela Merkel, the chancellor of Germany, deep in conversation about some of the most important issues on the world stage; or of Susan Rice, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, standing up forcefully for the Syrian people in the Security Council.

These women are extraordinary role models. If I had a daughter, I would encourage her to look to them, and I want a world in which they are extraordinary but not unusual. Yet I also want a world in which, in Lisa Jackson’s words, “to be a strong woman, you don’t have to give up on the things that define you as a woman.” That means respecting, enabling, and indeed celebrating the full range of women’s choices. “Empowering yourself,” Jackson said in her speech at Princeton, “doesn’t have to mean rejecting motherhood, or eliminating the nurturing or feminine aspects of who you are.”

I gave a speech at Vassar last November and arrived in time to wander the campus on a lovely fall afternoon. It is a place infused with a spirit of community and generosity, filled with benches, walkways, public art, and quiet places donated by alumnae seeking to encourage contemplation and connection. Turning the pages of the alumni magazine (Vassar is now coed), I was struck by the entries of older alumnae, who greeted their classmates with Salve (Latin for “hello”) and wrote witty remembrances sprinkled with literary allusions. Theirs was a world in which women wore their learning lightly; their news is mostly of their children’s accomplishments. Many of us look back on that earlier era as a time when it was fine to joke that women went to college to get an “M.R.S.” And many women of my generation abandoned the Seven Sisters as soon as the formerly all-male Ivy League universities became coed. I would never return to the world of segregated sexes and rampant discrimination. But now is the time to revisit the assumption that women must rush to adapt to the “man’s world” that our mothers and mentors warned us about.

I continually push the young women in my classes to speak more. They must gain the confidence to value their own insights and questions, and to present them readily. My husband agrees, but he actually tries to get the young men in his classes to act more like the women—to speak less and listen more. If women are ever to achieve real equality as leaders, then we have to stop accepting male behavior and male choices as the default and the ideal. We must insist on changing social policies and bending career tracks to accommodate our choices, too. We have the power to do it if we decide to, and we have many men standing beside us.

We’ll create a better society in the process, for all women. We may need to put a woman in the White House before we are able to change the conditions of the women working at Walmart. But when we do, we will stop talking about whether women can have it all. We will properly focus on how we can help all Americans have healthy, happy, productive lives, valuing the people they love as much as the success they seek.
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Wrap up your post article while you still have edit privileges.
snowfox said @ 5:17am GMT on 23rd Jun
While I still have edit privileges? As I understood it, those never go away. Thanks for the link but next time try to phrase the proposition less like a strange threat, please.
sanepride said @ 5:24am GMT on 23rd Jun [Score:1 Informative]
I think he means while you still have the option to edit your post. After some amount of time after posting (is it 24 hours?) the 'edit' link goes away.
snowfox said @ 5:49am GMT on 23rd Jun
Thanks for clearing that up. Sorry for doubting you, Naruki.
snowfox said @ 5:58am GMT on 23rd Jun [Score:4 Good]
Here, have this:

google grammar
azazel said @ 12:24pm GMT on 23rd Jun
That's not grammar, that's "spelling" at best. Maybe "vocabulary."
Arravis said @ 5:09am GMT on 23rd Jun
Was this not always obvious and self-evident? I don't understand how so many, clearly otherwise intelligent women, could not see the clear consequences?

This exact problem is true, regardless of gender. I've turned down many jobs simply because of the time it takes away from all the things I want to do (be it spending time with family, or otherwise). This isn't a "woman's" issue, simply an "everyone" issue in my opinion.
snowfox said @ 5:16am GMT on 23rd Jun
That is my point -- it is an everyone issue. Men already gave up their right to be there for their children, and now women are having to do the same thing when we, as humans, should not be doing that at all.
Arravis said @ 5:26am GMT on 23rd Jun
To me, it just seems idiotic for them to have not realized this before.
snowfox said @ 5:32am GMT on 23rd Jun [Score:1 Underrated]
If we accept that as the case, it means that women will never be able to rise to positions of power in equal numbers to men. I see this as a problem. The answer is not for humans to adapt to the economy -- it's not the sapient lifeform here, it is our creation -- but for humans to make their business world adapt to them. Business exists to serve us, no matter what anyone tells you, and so we need to collectively put ourselves before it.
Arravis said @ 5:38am GMT on 23rd Jun
I agree completely. Our current system of "work" is inefficient, unproductive, and generally innovation-killing, soul-crushing nightmare.

If you give people room in a tempered work environment to follow passions and creativity with some of their work time you'll get massive leaps in innovation. Right now most companies go out of their way to stifle this, and like most governments, their only real interest is in perpetuating a several unnecessary layers of management.
Navier-Strokes said @ 6:28am GMT on 23rd Jun
If I could also add, and what this article and these kinds of discussions never really gives merit to, is that what you study in college matters. Different kinds of jobs are more easily obtained with certain types of degrees / specialties. This is common sense, but it doesn't seem to get said. Consequently, if we're going to have discussions about gender gaps in certain jobs / levels of pay, we really need to go back a little and look at gender incongruities in what people are studying. Whether or not these degrees are meaningful reflections on inherent ability to do a job is a whole different discussion, but the fact remains that degree has considerable implications in what jobs you can obtain.
damnit said @ 5:19am GMT on 23rd Jun [Score:1 Insightful]
The higher you go up, your job becomes a career. A career is your life. People need you. They want your attention. You're on meetings a lot of times. You need to delegate responsibilities. When you're not around, work stops for you.

Not that many people are equipped for that.
zenviper said @ 5:28am GMT on 23rd Jun
yep.
theolypse said @ 7:09pm GMT on 23rd Jun
I was a free man, in Paris. I felt untethered and alive.
afrasr said @ 5:27am GMT on 23rd Jun [Score:-1 Troll]
LoL

Women can't have it all !

What you mean like men haven't been able to have for almost all the 20th century ?

Oh noes !

snowfox said @ 5:38am GMT on 23rd Jun
They haven't either, and I wish the article did a better job of pointing that out. As I said in another comment, men have given up the ability to raise their kids in favor of career, mostly because society told them to do it. Prior to that, we had a largely agrarian society and most of us technically worked at home.

The problem is that SOMEONE has to raise the kids, and if the men can't do it, then the women have to. That means that either women can't have kids or women can't be in positions of power. Neither of those outcomes is a good proposition for our society. It would be better to enforce work-life balance so that men and women can raise their children and run society.

Even under the current model where men can't have it all either, they are still slightly better off because they can have a career and choose to have genetic offspring (that they can't spend enough time with). The women have to choose whether to have genetic offspring at all. This is ultimately a bad proposition for both men and women. If women choose not to reproduce, that potentially increases violence against women or the number of men with no marriage options -- a recipe for war. If women choose to reproduce and thus never attain positions of power, statistics show that this also leads to more war and violence against women.

This is not a matter where we should throw our hands in the air and accept things as they are. That is not good for us collectively.
afrasr said @ 5:45am GMT on 23rd Jun [Score:-1]
No no, you don't understand !

Women need to be paid 130% of what men get, and work only 50% of the time they do now.. that way they can have money, time AND raise the kids!

And men ? Who gives a fuck about what men want. They need to get back in the office where they belong !

/s
papango said @ 6:28am GMT on 23rd Jun [Score:1 Insightful]
And yet we've ended up with women earning less then men in equal roles, working the same hours and still doing the majority of the housework? How did that happen, do you think?
foobar said @ 8:16am GMT on 23rd Jun
We actually aren't. When you compare all women to all men, there's a not insignificant wage gap, but when you compare like to like it pretty much disappears. See The Gender Gap in Wages, circa 2000.
papango said @ 9:55am GMT on 23rd Jun
Leaving aside the fact that that study doesn't compare like to like, it just takes the 'unadjusted' rate and then makes statistical adjustments, rather than actually looking at real people, it still comes up with 80%. I'll be honest with you, it'll be a sad fucking day when I break out the party balloons because I'm finally worth 80% of what I would be with a dick.

foobar said @ 4:07am GMT on 24th Jun
80% is the unadjusted number. Once she accounts for difference in circumstance, she finds that the rate is 91.4%, 95.1% or 97.5% (she has 3 models. See Table 3).

When you look at individuals you have anecdotes. You need statistics if you want data.

The data doesn't say that there isn't a problem, but it's important to understand just what that problem is before we try to solve it.
azazel said @ 1:02pm GMT on 23rd Jun
And yet even in jobs with a large degree of women (for instance -- nurses, elderly care etc) working the managers are still mostly men. Interesting.
afrasr said @ 8:06pm GMT on 23rd Jun
Women doign a majority of the housework these days is a partial myth.

But even if it's not.. fuck them. If their husband is bringing in a majority of the money by working a 50+ hr week, then why should he be expected to do a majority of the house stuff too?

Yeah, doing housework sucks, but do does being stuck at work for 50+ hrs a week. At least if you are at home you can have the radio on, or the TV, and be dressed in lazy clothes while you keep things sorted out.

Boo hoo, you have to do a bit of housework..


My heart bleeds
bruceski said @ 6:28am GMT on 23rd Jun [Score:1 Funny]
Women get 75% of what men get? You mean I make money and 3/4 of it goes to some chick? What a rip-off!
lalanda said @ 6:32am GMT on 23rd Jun [Score:2 Insightful]
Welcome to my marriage.
papango said @ 6:59am GMT on 23rd Jun [Score:4 Funny]
That's a terrible situation. You need to talk to your wife and get her to cut you in on bruceski's money.
foobar said @ 7:40am GMT on 23rd Jun [Score:1 Underrated]
Being a bitter jerk about it isn't going to bring anyone to the table on the legitimate gender issues men face.
afrasr said @ 7:52pm GMT on 23rd Jun [Score:-1 Troll]
Pfft even if we were kind about it, Feminists / Traditionalist women still wouldn't come to the table about the issues.

In their eyes, they still don't have enough.

Men are "the enemy" and need to be fleeced for everything they can get their mitts on.

Case in point. Women in most countries get maternal leave. So why aren't fathers allowed paternal leave ?

Sure they aren't giving physical birth to the kid, but maybe they want to go and be with their wife, and be a father to the kid from day 1.


That's just one example of in equality.


And before people start bitching, I am not advocating taking things AWAY from women, I want equality for both sexes in choices.


foobar said @ 4:10am GMT on 24th Jun [Score:2]
Yeah, they will, and every one I've ever spoken to about it say they just don't want to deal with what you're doing here. Stop it.
afrasr said @ 6:36am GMT on 24th Jun
We can agree to disagree.
Barnabas_Truman said @ 6:51pm GMT on 24th Jun
I suspect that "We can agree to disagree" is code for "The status quo isn't doing me any harm, so why bother changing it?"
afrasr said @ 12:32am GMT on 26th Jun
No, I want to see changes, but I changes that benefit everyone.

I believe in equality, not feminism

They are not the same thing
Barnabas_Truman said @ 2:01am GMT on 26th Jun
Why not?
mechanical contrivance said @ 3:05am GMT on 26th Jun
Is masculinism about equality?
Barnabas_Truman said @ 3:49am GMT on 26th Jun
Define please?
mechanical contrivance said @ 4:44am GMT on 26th Jun
I don't know; I just made it up. I guess it's the male version of feminism.
Barnabas_Truman said @ 7:26am GMT on 26th Jun
The most consistent definition I've heard for "feminism" is something along the lines of "the idea that women are people." So if "masculinism" then means "the idea that men are people," well, hell, I'm in favor of that too.
snowfox said @ 4:29pm GMT on 24th Jun [Score:2]
You gravely misconstrue the meaning of feminism, and that is because the term has been smeared by misogynists in order to take power away from women and causes that affect them.
arrowhen said @ 9:07pm GMT on 24th Jun
On the other hand, there ARE women out there who think just as afrasr describes, and who call themselves feminists. I was married to one long ago.

They might not be "true" feminists, but there's never been an ideal in the whole history of thought that SOME human or another hasn't perverted into a rationale for their own selfish goals. We're really good at that.
snowfox said @ 9:27pm GMT on 24th Jun
I am just tired of a few asshole women being paraded out as a way to discredit the cause of women's rights (which are human rights). Whenever it gets mentioned, it seems to be with a subtext of "women are evil" or "silly women, they should get back in the kitchen".

It depresses me.
granitewitch said @ 10:04pm GMT on 24th Jun [Score:1 Insightful]
It depresses many of us guys as well, especially those of us with daughters.

I'm a deep believer in feminism- my grandmother got her MD in 1925 and worked for Margaret Sanger, so it tends to run in my family. But the hypocritical shrilling harpies I (unfortunately) encounter on a regular basis make me despair at times. Most are simply the mirror image of Rush Limbaugh's followers, parroting things they've heard from someone else without giving it thought themselves. Engage them in a critical discussion of their talking points and it dissolves into angry male-bashing and accusations because they can't logically back up their own statements. It's mere dogma and emotional flup. But I also find women who are feminists, working to improve society for women without raising a lot of noise and rhetoric, who I admire and respect, and that gives me some hope yet.
arrowhen said @ 10:38pm GMT on 24th Jun
It's interesting that you portray those asshole women as BEING paraded out to discredit the cause (i.e., yeah, they're assholes, but it's not THEM doing the discrediting, but some other party), rather than talking about the asshole women themselves discrediting the cause by being asshole women. Do you not think those asshole women are responsible for their own actions?

And women's rights are human rights? HELL YEAH! So are gay rights, workers' rights, and any number of others. I think dividing the problem of human rights into separate "x rights" issues is the wrong approach. We can't just fix things one right at a time when it's the whole sick, stupid, unsustainable culture that needs to be fixed.
Barnabas_Truman said @ 12:50am GMT on 25th Jun
Pick your battles; divide and conquer. If you say "I'm in favor of human rights!", most people will say "Uh, okay, sure, so am I," and nothing will change. If you want change, you need to pick one specific issue (women's rights, gay rights, workers' rights) and focus on it. As specific issues change, culture as a whole will change.
arrowhen said @ 2:18am GMT on 25th Jun
Man, I had a rant all typed up here, but my phone ate it. It was really ranty.
Barnabas_Truman said @ 3:03am GMT on 25th Jun [Score:1 Funny]
There, there. I'm sure your lost rant would have forced me to rethink my entire philosophy of human rights and change my mind in your favor.
arrowhen said @ 5:53am GMT on 25th Jun
It was pretty much what Naruki said, only with lots of hyperbole and swearing.
Naruki said @ 3:05am GMT on 25th Jun [Score:1 Insightful]
I go with human rights and equality. I think those who say they are feminists tend to distract the people they are trying to reach. You always have to explain to them that by "feminism" you really mean "equal rights for women because they've been relegated to second class citizens for so very long", and at that point many of your audience will start to mentally slot you in the "crank" category.

To me it's more direct, and it covers most inequality issues you might want to support. Treating women like shit? They need equal rights. Treating blacks like shit? They need equal rights. Gays? Equal rights. Soulless redheads? Equal rights. Illegal aliens? Equal rights.

Of course, I have not managed to end any single type of bigotry in the world with my precise but broad position. So I must defer to Barnabas' confusing but narrow position, which has singlehandedly ended ... Well, so maybe that argument doesn't hold water.

One thing is true: by adopting a narrow position like feminism or black empowerment, you give conservatives the impression you don't care about other related issues. Or rather, you give them an excuse to pretend you don't care. They love to stereotype liberals as single-issue hypocrites (the fact that super-condensed irony is still not enough to kill someone is the only reason conservatives still live and breathe).

For some people it's really true: they only care about their pet issue, and the other groups can go hang.

Hell, that is probably the crux of the problem. You can't get one oppressed group to band together with a similarly oppressed group that has a different character. If they all joined forces, there aren't enough Greedy Old Politicks in the world to stop them.
arrowhen said @ 5:58am GMT on 25th Jun
Hell, that is probably the crux of the problem. You can't get one oppressed group to band together with a similarly oppressed group that has a different character.

One of the first nasty surprises I got as an sheltered young idealistic dipshit going out to live in the real world for the first time was learning that members of oppressed minorities are just as capable of being bigoted assholes as us Evil White Dudes(tm) are.
theolypse said @ 7:16pm GMT on 23rd Jun
So when someone doesn't coddle your ego, merely agreeing with you, you stay on the offensive? Low class, brah.
afrasr said @ 8:33pm GMT on 23rd Jun [Score:1 Underrated]
Wow.. re reading what I wrote...


I need to be less grumpy in the mornings.


I have red bull now... it makes me sane
theolypse said @ 8:11pm GMT on 30th Jun
Can't believe I forgot to upmod this.

While I have plenty of problems with your apparent conviction that being a feminist means I hate myself, as a man, anyone who can retreat from a misstep without their pride getting in the way deserves some respect for that.
eIfish said @ 6:02am GMT on 23rd Jun
Women is not one atomic person.

Why is it wrong to say that one given woman can either raise children or be an MP? It would be preposterous to suggest that someone could hold a job as a CEO and a childminder at the same time, why the sudden change in standards when it's not someone-else's kids?

I found it interesting that a tenured professor, someone that single-handedly makes more than a working-class household, married to another tenured professor who also makes more than a working-class household felt that living on a 'single income' was not an option.
blibblob said @ 6:16am GMT on 23rd Jun
Bringing women into the workforce was a good thing. Turning the situation of now being able to choose the best people for the job from either gender opened up the ability to always have the best person for the job. Where we went wrong was that our previous prejudices of men needing to be the breadwinner never went away. So we ended up having two working parents. I propose this is not really a very good thing.

Women, be a successful CEO(after we break down the current Old Boys Club barriers of entry) OR be a housewife.
Men, be a successful CEO(already easy, your dad hands it to you) OR be a househusband.

It was bad enough that kids raised in the 60s had a daddy who was never there. Now kids have mommies and daddies who were never there. And for a huge portion of society, they still can't make ends meet. Something went seriously wrong over the last 100 years of society, we stopped growing and started taking steps backwards.
willrogers said @ 6:21am GMT on 23rd Jun
Think about what are traditional work hours. Now, think about what are traditional school hours. They match up pretty well, meaning that stay-at-home parents really aren't seeing any more or less of their children than working parents. Sure, not having a job means that you have more time to take care of other chores and errands, but it's a pretty obvious false choice that people, especially women, need to pick between having careers and raising a family. Furthermore, the proliferation of the internet and new technologies (e.g. Skype, smartphones, collaborative software like Huddle, etc.) make it progressively easier each year to telecommute and get work done from the comfort of home, making it even more absurd to structure things as a choice between work vs. parenting.

The only problem I see is the erosion of middle class wages that changes it from a choice to financial necessity for both parents to be working outside the home.
blibblob said @ 6:28am GMT on 23rd Jun
You work traditional work hours? I work until 7 or so. Any salaried job that gets listed as "creative" work doesn't pay overtime, but it's still generally expected. Then there are teachers, you can't get real prep work done during school hours, that's part of overtime you don't get paid for. The only jobs that really work 9-5(which, by the way, are NOT school hours for children, that's anywhere from 7-10 in the morning to 2-5 in the afternoon, still necessitating after school day care for even a standard 9-5 job) are your generally accepted blue collar jobs. Of which there are fewer available due to technology every year.
papango said @ 6:30am GMT on 23rd Jun
You don't have kids, do you?

Can we hear from some of the parents about how school hours and work hours match up? And how there's no need to choice between a career (which is not the same thing as a job) and being a full time parent?
pleaides said @ 9:54am GMT on 23rd Jun
o/

I've been responsible for my kids for some six months, (as what you might call the primary caregiver) since my spouse has completed her studies and commenced work and I've been winding back my own business with a view to resuming my studies, which I did about a month ago. My two eldest leave for school at about 9 and return at around 3:30. What with transport between home and the site (I work in the trades) I'm doing well to get 5 hours in per day, usually foregoing lunch.

The notion that the concurrence of school and work hours means a parent can commit to a full workload is plain unvarnished falsehood. Having said that, I couldn't be happier in my current situation. I'm able to leverage my rather unique skills and experience doing varnish and brush and spray painting on some pretty damn fancy boats during the day, often 'consulting' as a paint expert with several boatyards withing a few miles of my home. I can also spend time doing homework with my eldest boys (7 and 11) and enjoy mucking around with my 2yo daughter. After a couple of cold beers I dive into my formal studies in politics and history from about 7 til well after midnight over a glass or two of red.
azazel said @ 1:07pm GMT on 23rd Jun
School hours, eh? My stepdaughter goes to school at 7:30 (and since it's a heavily trafficked trip one of us still need to get here there), arrives maybe 7:50. Most regular work hours begin at 8:00 here. School day is over between 2-3:30 PM, while your regular job will see you off at 5:00 PM. We do have access to after-school activities at the school though, but once the kids turn a certain age (around 11) they don't want to hang around that stuff, and instead head home, alone. There are only school buses for kids living a certain distance away from the schools. My mother worked half-time to be able to be home when the bus dropped us off (and she left slightly earlier than we did in the mornings, but locking the door wasn't that difficult even at 7 years of age), but it definitely cut into the earnings of the family.
azazel said @ 1:08pm GMT on 23rd Jun
*her there.
bruceski said @ 6:30am GMT on 23rd Jun [Score:1 Insightful]
I've had some discussions about this with a friend. Where women are blasted by the beauty ideal ("you're never pretty enough, you can't be a good partner if you're not pretty") men are slammed by a success ideal ("you're not successful enough, if you aren't an awesome worker how do you expect to attract anyone").

It certainly opened my eyes, but it kinda needs the right discussion group to make sure it doesn't get twisted into diminishing female pressures or full-on misogyny.
papango said @ 6:37am GMT on 23rd Jun [Score:3 Underrated]
There is huge pressure on men. I make more than my husband does (by about a third) and it's pretty common for people who find that out to be a) surprised his balls haven't fallen off (they haven't, I check regularly) and b) convinced we will break up because he won't be able to handle it and will need to find a less well remunerated partner. That's some intense pressure. To have the way people assess your male-ness linked to your pay check. And not just that because he makes good money, but somehow he's less of a man because I make more.
bruceski said @ 6:52am GMT on 23rd Jun
It was thinking about that situation and how I felt about it that got me to understand my mother when she admitted something to me years ago. I'm half-Jewish on her side, and she admitted that even though she recognized the hypocrisy there was a part of her that hoped my brother and I would find Nice Jewish Girls to settle down with. I couldn't understand it (well I could on a mental level but not an emotional one) until I had that discussion about success early this year. Even if you know that the anxiety's stupid, even if you've managed to reason it down into a tiny speck, it's ingrained in the society and it never truly goes away. You just need to find a way to deal with it.
Barnabas_Truman said @ 9:16am GMT on 24th Jun
Half-Jewish? What, so you take a Sabbath off every other week?

*ba-dum tssh*
Mr. Langosta said @ 6:40am GMT on 23rd Jun
That sandwich isn't going to make itself.
granitewitch said @ 7:26am GMT on 23rd Jun [Score:1 Funny]
b said @ 7:00am GMT on 23rd Jun
Saw this via Jezebel today. Some interesting counterpoints- or at least, differing points of view- there too.
granitewitch said @ 7:55am GMT on 23rd Jun [Score:2 Insightful]
This is one of the few discussions I've had with my wife where I genuinely pissed her off.

She is now in her mid forties and has never had kids. Instead she traveled a bit, lived overseas and got two Masters and a PhD. Her career is right on the verge of becoming something really remarkable- already she's been on NPR, quoted in an article on the front page of the Wall Street Journal and has been in discussions with Katie Couric's staff about an interview. But she still broods on not having kids of her own.

She was commenting on a professor we both know who just had a kid and is an assistant dean, and is apparently having it all. I replied that she'll likely not do any of it well- which was when she got mad at me. But I stand by my statement, as career, marriage and children all take a large chunk of your attention and energies, and we all have limits.

Twenty five years ago my (now ex) wife and I had this discussion: I could be a career person and really light up my job and advance, or I could accept a lesser role in the company and focus more on my kids. I had to make the same choices many years later after graduating engineering school as a single parent with a loony ex. In both cases I chose to focus more on the kids.

While I stand by those choices, it has definitely come at a very large cost to me. I was in my forties before I ever left the continental US, and until the past year really haven't had the freedom to focus on my own needs without having to worry about how it would impact my kids. (My youngest is now at Syracuse University.) I wasn't able to really focus that well on either engineering school or my job due to the chaos from the divorce which had me doing damage control on my kids, so I really don't have a career now. I do, however, have a good relationship with my kids.

After I explained all of this to my wife she was no longer angry with me and could grudgingly see my point. If a parent wants a high powered career it will come at the expense of his or her family. If they try to juggle all of it at once they will have a somewhat distant relationship with their kids and perhaps with their spouse, and still not be at the top of their game at work. Unfortunately we have been sold a pipe dream, via TV and church and everything else that programs us to feel inadequate if we're not wealthy with good careers and perfect children and a loving spouse.

None of this is news to me, and I'm a little surprised that it's taking this long for the rest of them to figure it out. Women can be leaders just as well as men, but it comes at a cost that not many of them are willing to pay.
snowfox said @ 8:25am GMT on 23rd Jun
The difference is that men can still have biological children in that situation, though they can't raise them. The women must choose whether to have children at all because having a baby requires time off, there is no way around it.

The decision seems ok on a case by case basis, but when you look at the cumulative pattern it creates a society where women can never be equals to men. And if women did suddenly start to choose differently, we'd have a society where men could not easily find women to have children with.
eIfish said @ 10:35am GMT on 23rd Jun
You could have someone foster your ovum.
cb361 said @ 10:40am GMT on 23rd Jun [Score:1 Funny]
That's a terrible pick-up line.
Barnabas_Truman said @ 9:18am GMT on 24th Jun
And that's a good tagline.

"Sensible Erection: That's a terrible pick-up line."
quaint said @ 10:37am GMT on 23rd Jun
Women never can be equal to men.

And men can never be equal to women.

We are different from each other. What we need to do is recognise and embrace that difference, rather than trying to force women to be like men or men to be like women. I don't understand why people have such a difficulty grasping this concept. If an individual woman or man decides "Hey, I want to fall into the stereotypical working/living pattern of the opposite sex" then hey, dandy - but for the majority of people that just won't work. If an individual woman decides to bust her balls at the office and does as well as a man would, she should be paid as well as a man would. But if she strolls in at 9:30 and leaves again at 3:15 to pick up her loinspawn from school, no way should she get the same pay as the man who's bringing in double the money for the business.
azazel said @ 12:55pm GMT on 23rd Jun [Score:1 Underrated]
The problem is that the glass ceiling exists, and it's a problem for women (and gays, transsexuals and pretty much every minority group -- but it's most notable between the genders). The default or average exec/director/manager is a white, middle-aged male -- and while they might not consciously create a glass ceiling, it's created because of the situation. I'd link you papers, but I'm in a bit of a hurry; my girlfriend's been at her mom's with the kids and she's coming home tonight, so I need to tidy up the place, do the dishes and laundry and all that stuff.
pleaides said @ 11:16am GMT on 23rd Jun
Honestly snowfox I see that as a bit simplistic, and a bit unfair to the dudes. While the woman's role in child rearing would ideally perhaps involve her having a year off to bond with and rear the baby, there's formula now, and there's really nothing stopping fathers taking up the same role that would have formerly have fallen to their wives. Basically, once the rigours of birth have been dealt with then either one of the parents can take up the reins with almost equal efficacy.

The guts of the problem is the 'guts' basically. The elements of bringing a child into the world that are biologically the province of the female of the species only simply require that the mother have some time off work. Once that bit is done (say two weeks prior and two weeks post) then there is nothing that precludes the gender roles from being completely interchangeable. Personally, I see no reason why the responsibility for caring for a baby ought to necessarily fall on one or the other parent outside of the biological province mentioned above. A month off ought not be more than might be expected for anyone should they suffer the loss of a parent or a child, and therefore does not really represent a significant gender difference. Honestly, I think that any man would be a fool to not grab with both hands the chance to be the 'main parent'. If I had my druthers it'd be my main request.
azazel said @ 12:57pm GMT on 23rd Jun
This is why I love Sweden. I'm currently on parental leave (and have been for a bit over a year -- you get new days for each kid (and we had two, there are only 11 months between my daughter and my son. Yeah, not planned but whatever) while my gf finishes her studies. Once she's done I'll study while she supports me. At least that's the plan.
lalanda said @ 7:45am GMT on 24th Jun
Does that mean a company has been paying for you to not work for 11 months? Or is it a sabbatical?

Basically, I'm wondering how companies can afford this.
theolypse said @ 9:10am GMT on 24th Jun
Regulations against predatory lending help.
papango said @ 10:20am GMT on 24th Jun [Score:1 Interesting]
We have paid parental leave. I don't know how long it's for, but the company pays you a wage for so many months after a baby is born. And they have to have your job for you to come back to. Everybody has to do it, so it's not really a disadvantage for any one company. Much like any other cost, well run companies factor it in when they budgeting.
zarathustra said @ 1:49am GMT on 25th Jun
Does it create any problem with discrimination in hiring?
papango said @ 5:37am GMT on 25th Jun
Not that I've noticed. The child-bearing window is about 10 to 15 years wide. And both parents are entitled to the leave. So without asking a bunch of questions the law prohibits employers from asking (marital status, etc) it's hard to pick out the breeders from the non-breeders.

I guess it might make employers consider hiring older people, but the over fifties are so heavily discriminated against at the moment I'd have a hard time working myself into a lather about it.
azazel said @ 2:15pm GMT on 24th Jun
The short version is: the state pays; if you've worked and/or studied for the last 12 months before applying for parental leave you get 80% of your salary, otherwise you get a mininimum amount.
azazel said @ 7:38pm GMT on 24th Jun
We get around 400 days per child (unsure about the exact number of days), a certain amount of those are at the 80% payout value, the rest at the minimum amount. If you have single custody you get all the days, if not each parent get 200 days. Parents can give their days to the other parent if they wish, and the days expire once the child turns 11.

Or something like that.
ComposerNate said @ 9:12am GMT on 23rd Jun [Score:1 Funny]
sanepride said @ 4:40pm GMT on 23rd Jun
Well we do at the moment have a black President, a female secretary of State, an Hispanic Supreme Court Justice, and fairly ethnically diverse Cabinet. Still working on the gay rights, but otherwise not too shabby.
cb361 said @ 9:42am GMT on 23rd Jun [Score:1 Insightful]
I think it's more about personality type than gender to be honest. People in power are a certain personality type, and to the extent that devolve power to new people, they do it to people similar themselves. I've complained about the whole macho alpha-male thing before so I'll try and keep this short, but unless you play the game, you're just not going to get anywhere in most power structures. And it's a game built around traditional male skills/attributes.

So yes, women can climb the ladder, but only by being as manly (or more manly) than the other men and women who they are competing with. You can be Margaret Thatcher and go right to the top, but these 'attributes' and rarer for women than for men.

Snowfox, I know you've said before that you're frustrated the limits that society places on you for not happening to have a Y chromosome, but I've got one and I can tell you that it doesn't make anything easier on its own. As something of a girly-man, there is just as much glass ceiling for me as for any woman.

I'm thinking here about my own culture here though. I'm sure that in many cultures, women are heavily discriminated against just for being women. Plus you can be unlucky enough to find a misogynist in any society anywhere.
Spaceloaf said @ 10:08am GMT on 23rd Jun [Score:1 Informative]
Thank you; you expressed this idea much better than I did.

To go further, it's my hypothesis that women just tend to be better adjusted emotionally compared to men. Most women want a balanced life, whereas men more easily develop unhealthy obsessions. In the negative direction, you end up with basement dwelling otaku who start flame wars on youtube. On the other end, you get Bill Gates.

It's just a slightly wider distribution for men in both directions. But in a competitive market, the high tail of the distribution is going to get picked, which then ends up being proportionally more male than female.

The reality is that most of us are never going to be in the high tail, regardless of gender.
azazel said @ 12:50pm GMT on 23rd Jun [Score:1 Informative]
This is a load of crock.
1000gpw said @ 6:04pm GMT on 23rd Jun
No it isn't. Human males have more variability than females in all traits, including intelligence and personality. In other words, given 1000 people, both the most intelligent and least intelligent people are likely to be men.

This is an evolutionary fact due to the different selective pressures on the sexes. Women could only have a limited number of offspring per lifetime regardless of their social status or fitness. Thus, it paid to be more average in order to avoid the risk of ending up on the wrong tail of the distribution and dying off. Men, being larger than women (sexual dimorphism) evolutionarily had multiple mates. This also meant many men didn't have any mates at all. For a male, being average was only slightly better than ending up on the wrong tail, and it paid to be more variable for the chance at ending up on the high end of the distribution and having many, many offspring.

In a purely competitive environment (such as chess) men will tend to dominate the top end. But politics is also about representation, which is why we need to consciously go against the competitive bias.

This isn't to say that women don't have greater family obligations (they do, both biologically and socially imposed), but these obligations aren't the only reason why men outnumber women at the top.
theolypse said @ 7:12pm GMT on 23rd Jun
No, no, it's an empirical fact. The evolutionary explanation is hypothesized. It's not even a theory, if you can't make predictions from it.
cb361 said @ 9:48am GMT on 23rd Jun
I was listening to a science program on the radio about a study into whether people with children and happier or less happy than people without. I know SE doesn't have much respect for science journalism, but the interviewer seemed to be asking the researcher the right questions about how the study was designed.

Their findings where that women had a similar level of happiness, whether or not they had had children, but that men without kids were significantly less happy than men who were fathers.
theolypse said @ 7:21pm GMT on 23rd Jun
Similar findings occur w.r.t. romantic involvement. Not surprising.
danshyu said @ 12:33am GMT on 24th Jun
It's official! Women hates children!
Spaceloaf said @ 9:49am GMT on 23rd Jun
I don't agree with this article at all. I work for a major corporation and there are plenty of women in high positions who also have multiple kids. Just because they have to take 6 months off doesn't mean that they are somehow giving up their career. What makes them give up their career is missing everything after the birth, and that sacrifice is the same whether you are a man or a women.

To get ahead, you have to bust your ass off regardless of gender. As a matter of practicality, we live in a competitive work society. If you aren't willing to make the sacrifice, there are 5 other people that are. That level of competitiveness is never going away no matter the gender politics.

All of the leaders at my company are superwomen/supermen. I don't see any asymmetry. The women managers stay just as late as the men do. By contrast, I'm a male with no desire for kids, and I don't even want a manager position because I have no desire to devote that much of my life to work. I don't see the inequality; anyone willing to put in the hours can get the position.
kichijoii said @ 6:55pm GMT on 23rd Jun
The point is that those sacrifices greatly affect women who DO want to have (and love, and care for) families. As long as the system requires such sacrifices to get ahead, these women will have to pick and choose; they will never have it ALL.
theolypse said @ 7:23pm GMT on 23rd Jun
You largely don't see the inequality because you're not facing the same pressure to reproduce that a woman in your position is likely to. Privilege blinds, first.
eIfish said @ 9:05pm GMT on 23rd Jun [Score:1 Underrated]
So why is it that pressure to reproduce can't be the thing to change?
arrowhen said @ 10:26pm GMT on 23rd Jun
I want to not have your babies!
papango said @ 1:35am GMT on 24th Jun
I think it can, the social side of it certianly. But there is a very strong physical/hormonal need to procreate. I've noticed it in myself. And I've never wanted to have kids, it's never been something I've been on the fence about, the answer has always been 'no'. I'm now physically incapable due to 'the little ovarian cyst that could (take over my womb)', and this week I am under Psych Crisis Management because I'm currently dangerous to both myself and others (that is not a cry for help or attention, I am getting both in huge amounts). Nobody thinks me having kids is a good idea, especially not me. And yet. Every so often I get a twinge, a little spasm deep in my gut that maybe I should have a baby. I expect in people who like children and have always wanted them the urge must be very strong.
arrowhen said @ 3:59am GMT on 24th Jun
arrowhen said @ 4:03am GMT on 24th Jun [Score:1 Good]
theolypse said @ 9:12am GMT on 24th Jun
I want it to. That would be great. That would be really, really, swell. It's a bit subtler than "Woman X makes 75% of the income that Man Y does at the same job," and correspondingly more challenging to get people fired up about.
arrowhen said @ 9:55pm GMT on 23rd Jun [Score:1]
And women don't face the same pressure to succeed at work -- when was the last time you heard a woman complain that dudes wouldn't sleep with her because she didn't have a good enough job? Things suck all over.

But because they don't suck exactly equally for everyone, these discussions always turn into unproductive pissing contests over whose team gets oppressed the most. Those arguments further cement the notion that each individual oppressive situation is its own discrete problem when they're actually all symptoms of the same disease.

The problem here isn't that women are unfairly prevented from becoming larger gears in the evil machine, the problem is that the machine itself is evil.
arrowhen said @ 11:41pm GMT on 23rd Jun
Take back your upmod, you
arrowhen said @ 11:43pm GMT on 23rd Jun
hateful fucktard.
lalanda said @ 7:52am GMT on 24th Jun [Score:1 Funny]
I got rid of it for you.
theolypse said @ 9:14am GMT on 24th Jun
For what it's worth, I entirely agree with you.
scojam said @ 1:50pm GMT on 23rd Jun
Women as a group have achieved so much over the past 50 years however, as much as they have gained, and it is impressive, if you follow television you will believe that the most important issue for women, all women, and it has always been so, is seepage.
bltrocker said @ 4:43pm GMT on 23rd Jun
Very interesting article. I think it's totally worth it to step back sometimes from being egalitarian idealists to really hash out the differences between the sexes. I think there is something to be said for the majority of women being better hardwired for raising kids than the majority of men.
theolypse said @ 7:24pm GMT on 23rd Jun
Yeah. Seriously. Genetic predispositions aren't relied on nearly enough, when social constructs are threatened.
kichijoii said @ 7:07pm GMT on 23rd Jun [Score:2 Insightful]
This issue is not limited to women. The American workplace is generally hostile toward families. There's the notion that you should spend as much time working as possible, that you should sacrifice everything else for the sake of company profit. If you can't handle it, it's your fault and you deserve to starve in a gutter, or at least fade into mediocrity. Part of the problem is the creep of business values into the personal life. There's also the devaluing of having a personal life separate from business. We have some band-aids on the problem, like workplace day-care and maternity leave, but what we really need are fundamental changes in attitudes toward families, like a guaranteed and enforced and protected right to have a family AND a career.
arrowhen said @ 8:35pm GMT on 23rd Jun
What if I don't want a family? Do I still get a guaranteed, enforced, and protected right to pursue my chosen brand of happiness AND have a career?
devilsad said @ 9:37pm GMT on 24th Jun
Sadly the future of society and the ability for you to receive a pension when you retire don't depend on you being able to have a couple of afternoons off each week for golf. Kidz is serious bizness.
arrowhen said @ 2:06am GMT on 25th Jun
Nah, no matter how good or bad their conditions are, people are going to keep spitting out kids. And then complaining about them.
papango said @ 5:43am GMT on 25th Jun [Score:1 Informative]
I have used the 'domestic leave' provision to take my cat to the vet. I just cannot bring myself to mark our six-monthly trip to have his anal glands expressed as a 'holiday'. I don't feel guilty about this because I am totally open about it with my boss, and I happily cover for parents who have to leave work early because their child is oozing or shedding its husk or whatever disgusting thing they're doing.
Barnabas_Truman said @ 7:29am GMT on 25th Jun
Your cat needs to learn to express himself.
wenchgirl said @ 1:11am GMT on 24th Jun [Score:1 Insightful]
A couple of thoughts. Firstly, an opinion I have seen mentioned several times around the net, is that what is your definition of "it all?" Clearly the author defines having it all as both a career and a family. And that's fine, but some people don't want both of those things, and the problem is "having it all" was defined as an end goal of feminism. But now that "having it all" is increasingly defined as "career + being a mommy" that's having a serious impact on feminism. It is often given as a trade off that making the trade off of how high or far your career goes + number of children is of course personal, and as long as you're happy with your trade off, then that is having it all.
The reason this is a problem for feminism is that 1) not everyone wants both of those: some feminists will never want children and some feminists will want a family and children and no career. Both are legitimate goals, whether you are feminist or not. 2) is the fact that it is a trade off at all. In polls it has been found that having a family is indicative of contentment and being fulfilled...for men. For women it is being fulfilled and worried, harried, stressed, etc etc. I saw mention earlier that men do make the trade off of not being with their kids as much, but if they did do this it would make it easier for women to have careers. But women are _expected_ to make this trade off, and happily, to take fewer promotions (and thus pay raises), so they can have a family. And often this expectation is why women are passed over and equality in the workplace isn't happening: bosses are assuming and making this choice on their female employee's behalf, that they would want it and are afraid of asking for it. How patronizing is that? This is anecdotal, but I have heard from multiple people and I bet it has happened more than from those I know.
"Having it all" being so narrowly defined is hurting women and feminism. Having it all used to be defined as doing what you wanted, getting what you wanted out of life. Having it now defined for women as working and having a family is just one more way of painting women into a corner that many of them do not want to be in.
selfimportant said @ 10:53pm GMT on 24th Jun
Also there was that novel "Consider Her Ways"

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