Sensible Erection | Israeli MP advocates the creation of labour camps.

Friday, 1 June 2012

Israeli MP advocates the creation of labour camps.

quote [ These phonies - first of all I would jail them all for incitement of Jews against Jews. This is Solution Number One: to jail all human rights [activists]."

"We can transport them afterwards to those same places that we're building, the camps. Let them work there." ]

Le sigh.

Ok, I've got a problem with the link not actually going to the full article like it did before. I'm trying to sort something out, read this in the meantime;

http://www.newsbiscuit.com/2012/06/01/creationist-school-appears-out-of-nowhere/

OK, I had to link to another article, I couldn't get the text of the Haaretz piece. It's not as good, nor is the source as authoritative as Haaretz, but hey, it's free :) Thanks for your patience.

Also, check this shit out, it's funny :)

http://blog.newhumanist.org.uk/2012/05/snake-handling-pentecostal-pastor-dies.html

"Snake-handling Pentecostal Pastor dies from rattlesnake bite

A pastor who believed Christians must handle rattlesnakes as a sign of their faith has died – after suffering a rattlesnake bite at an outdoor service in Bluefield, West Virginia."

Snigger..

[politics] [by pleaides@9:59amGMT] [+10 WTF]

Comments

Vernes said @ 10:09am GMT on 1st Jun
They... they don't see it do they?
...

Does anyone have a time machine?
We need to drop woman off somewhere.

pleaides said @ 10:16am GMT on 1st Jun
It seems that there's a very specific blind spot in operation on the right side of the Knesset, which is so remarkable as to defy description.

chold_numa said @ 2:43pm GMT on 1st Jun
Listen. You can't do that.

The first thing anyone does when they get their hands on a time machine is go back and kill Hitler. If she goes back and succeeds, Israel fails to get established in it's current form, leading to her rise as an Israeli MP. As such, she never feels compelled to make these statements and you don't take her back in time. Bam. Paradox.

At this point the time stream implodes, causing ripples through the space time continuum and the universe as we know it is destroyed. So, just to be clear, no time travel.

Cakkafracle said @ 2:47pm GMT on 1st Jun
"Israel fails to get established in it's current form"

oh noes!

Vernes said @ 3:51pm GMT on 1st Jun
No, I'll just take her back and drop her into one of the camps they had in that time.

She would be one of many many victims, in this case a nameless one.
The ripple in the flow of time would be very small.

the circus said @ 4:01pm GMT on 1st Jun
If you assissinate Hitler, don't you wind up with a Zeppelin factory in Korea? Damn these unstable patches!

chold_numa said @ 9:44pm GMT on 1st Jun
You need to stop the bomb on the Hindenburg to get zeppelin factories in Korea. Damn amateur time travelers, no wonder marijuana isn't legal.

GordonGuano said @ 2:59pm GMT on 3rd Jun
Actually, without a Holocaust to curb the gay, gypsy, and Jehovah's Witness populations, you'd return to the present to find the only industries remaining are musical theatre and interior design, and the entire surface of the planet knee-deep in dog shit and discarded Watchtowers.

buckaroo50 said @ 4:08pm GMT on 1st Jun [Score:2 Funny]
Did you read today's XKCD, or is that just a coincidence:

chold_numa said @ 9:32pm GMT on 1st Jun
People going back in time to kill Hitler and either failing/causing catastrophic damage to their timeline/turning out to be some alternate Hitler is a old trope that probably existed before I or Randall Monroe were born.

I don't read xkcd on a regular basis, so that was some freaky timing.

eggboy said @ 1:56am GMT on 2nd Jun [Score:1 Insightful]
Hitler was just the charismatic face of broad public sentiment, you kill him you'd probably still have Germany going to war, just with someone more competent at the head. Hari Seldon would be disappointed in you all.

The Mule said @ 12:16pm GMT on 2nd Jun
Naaah. He'll be fine.

sherlock said @ 2:09am GMT on 4th Jun
Think of it this way: in a lot of ways, Hitler was pretty irrational and incompetent. If we had assassinated hitler, odds are that a more effective military leader would have been put in his place. Moreover, the Nazi's would have likely directed a bloodbath laden revenge against their occupied territories, killing huge numbers of innocent men, women, and children to send a signal "this is what happens when you assassinate our leaders".

genesplicer said @ 2:51am GMT on 3rd Jun
What if Hitler had the time machine?

eIfish said @ 2:32am GMT on 2nd Jun [Score:1 Interesting]
My favourite paradigm is the time machine that disappears any universe that creates a paradox, leaving behind only the ones that don't.

So you go kill Hitler, only universes that are left are the ones where you don't succeed. If the time machine has multiple uses, and you're well-enough armed, Hitler starts to think he's trapped in a Hanna Barbera cartoon, as a series of assassins from the future fail to kill him, each foiled by a comically improbable accident.

ENZ said @ 2:53am GMT on 2nd Jun [Score:1 Funny]

bruceski said @ 10:20am GMT on 1st Jun [Score:1 Informative]
It's subscription, could we get a transcript under one of those collapsible box-thingy? Give me a break, it's 3AM and I'm too congested to sleep, my brain's not working right.

pleaides said @ 10:23am GMT on 1st Jun
Shit dude, sorry, I had no idea. Gimme a sec.

pleaides said @ 10:26am GMT on 1st Jun
Ok, I can't get to the text (that I had read already, and only just closed down the tab once I posted the article)

Can anyone help?

azazel said @ 11:19am GMT on 1st Jun [Score:1 Good]
I guess this is what you're talking about?

Kadima MK: Send human rights activists to prison camps

During House Committee debate on illegal African migrants, MK Shamalov Berkovich says some leftists would 'gladly transfer settlers, haredim and keep infiltrators here'

Omri Efraim
Published: 05.29.12, 20:40 / Israel News

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If given the opportunity, some Israeli human rights groups "would be the first to put haredim and settlers on buses and transfer them," Knesset Member Yulia Shamalov Berkovich said Tuesday during a heated House Committee debate of on the influx of foreign migrants into the country.

"Those hypocrites," the Kadima member said of human rights activists who are aiding foreign migrants, "I would imprison them all for incitement and for pitting Jews against Jews."

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Shamalov Berkovich called the recent posting on Facebook of a doctored image of MK Miri Regev wearing a Nazi uniform and performing the Nazi salute "disgraceful."

"All human rights activists should be imprisoned and transported to camps we are building," she said, referring to detention facilities Israel is constructing in which African infiltrators will be held.

מבעירים פחי אשפה בהפגנה נגד הזרים בתל-אביב (צילום: ירון ברנר)

Violence during anti-migrant protest in south Tel Aviv (Photo: Yaron Brener)

During a recent demonstration in south Tel Aviv against the government's handling of the infiltration phenomenon, Regev described Sudanese migrants in Israel as a “cancer.”

Shamalov Berkovich later told Ynet, "I toured south Tel Aviv and witnessed the deplorable conditions in which the infiltrators live. It pains me a lot, and I ask – how did we reach a situation whereby in the Jewish State of Israel people (foreign migrants) are living like animals?

"There are MKs from the left who speak terribly of haredim and settlers. This is incitement and extreme self-hatred. They would gladly transfer ultra-Orthodox and settlers and keep the infiltrators here. I want to tell the human rights groups that most (of the infiltrators) are not refugees, they came here to seek work," she told Ynet.

According to Shamalov Berkovich, the human rights groups are forcing Israelis to "illegally employ infiltrators," adding that they are "compromising the security of the state and its citizens and should be locked up."

The MK said the solution was to conduct negotiations with the infiltrators' home countries and have them agree to absorb the migrants. She stressed that acts of violence against foreign migrants are a "horrible mistake."

Attorney Oded Feller from the Association for Civil Rights in Israel said after the meeting that MKs who are calling to deport infiltrators are "deceiving" the public because "they know that most of those seeking asylum in Israel are Eritreans and Sudanese who cannot be expelled."

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Wasn't subscription for me. Maybe noscript blocked something?

pleaides said @ 11:24am GMT on 1st Jun
Thanks heaps mate, but that's the text for the replacement article, not the Haaretz one I had linked to originally.

Still, I appreciate your help :)

bruceski said @ 5:00pm GMT on 1st Jun
Thanks for the efforts.

mrklipp said @ 10:21am GMT on 1st Jun
It seems self awareness is still a vanishingly rare commodity.

danshyu said @ 11:34am GMT on 1st Jun
Just how dense can one be?

pleaides said @ 11:39am GMT on 1st Jun
Didn't Einstein say something like:

Only two things are infinite, the universe, and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the universe.

Ebichuman said @ 11:56am GMT on 1st Jun [Score:2 Informative]
"Didn't Einstein say something like:

Only two things are infinite, the universe, and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the universe."

-Mark Twain

pleaides said @ 12:53pm GMT on 1st Jun
Now that you mention it, it does have the pith of a Twain quote

lilmookieesquire said @ 3:10pm GMT on 1st Jun
Actually I think Pleaides was the one that just said that...

mechanical contrivance said @ 11:22pm GMT on 1st Jun [Score:1 Insightful]
Yea, I doubt Twain ever quoted Einstein.

ENZ said @ 12:47pm GMT on 1st Jun
Shamalov Berkovich called the recent posting on Facebook of a doctored image of MK Miri Regev wearing a Nazi uniform and performing the Nazi salute "disgraceful."

...and suggesting political dissidents be "sent to camps" isn't?

willrogers said @ 11:01pm GMT on 1st Jun
One of the comments on the original OP link is all angry and shit about comparing these cunts with Nazis, but doesn't really understand that the Holocaust didn't start out with just gassing Jews and other people. It was a gradual process of dehumanization and discrimination that went from persecution and attacks (e.g. Kristallnacht) to forcing them into ghettos to sending them to concentration camps to the Final Solution. People tend to forget that mass deportation was also one of the planned steps, just like this Israeli cunt wants, and the Holocaust also included the persecution and killing of leftist and other political dissidents against the Nazi regime.

cb361 said @ 1:02pm GMT on 1st Jun
There's a saying about what happens to abused children, when they themselves grow up.

spazm said @ 1:08pm GMT on 1st Jun
Which is rather doubtful. The amount of rapists, pedophiles etc would be staggering if that were true.

cb361 said @ 2:31pm GMT on 1st Jun
From what I gather, a high number of rapists and pedophiles were abused as children. If it's in doubt, we can go to the internet for adjudication.

eIfish said @ 2:36pm GMT on 1st Jun
So you'd think my proposal to concentrate rape victims and abused children in one place so society could be protected from them would have been better received...

spazm said @ 3:51pm GMT on 1st Jun
I personally think it's all about how these cases are being handled. If taken care of with the adequate sort of help the chance of the victim becoming rapist or pedophile reduces I'm guessing.

Ofcourse it's a guess but just looking at myself (being a pedophile victim) I can honestly say I have no interest in either having sex with children, nor forced sex with (wo)men.

bruceski said @ 5:04pm GMT on 1st Jun
It's a directionality thing. Abusers tend to have been abused themselves, but people who are abused do not tend to themselves be abusers.

eIfish said @ 2:31pm GMT on 1st Jun
We can't assume that all rapists and paedophiles are successful, let alone serial rapists or serial child abusers. Assuming a less-than-100% success rate, you'd need some serial rapists just to maintain a stable population of rapists.

Rape and child abuse is sufficiently tricky that we can't write the principle off just because there's not been a population explosion.

chold_numa said @ 10:21pm GMT on 1st Jun
Not sure that's the case. A vast majority of Jews living in Israel wouldn't have experienced the Holocaust first hand. Anyone who did would be about 70+. Those who are driving this now are in the roughly the same boat as children of Vietnam War veterans, which is no picnic I'm sure, but doesn't go anywhere near excusing this sort of arse hattery.

Quite frankly, the Israel experiment has failed. The place has gone from idealist social democracy to institutionalised racism in a generation and a half. Not that it was all that clean to start off with, but it's gone from bad to worse to even worse than that in 15 years. Western Tasmania would have been a better choice.

RhesusMonkey said @ 2:36am GMT on 2nd Jun
The "Vast Majority" of Jews living in Israel are Russian, and have no direct ancestry from Holocaust Survivors.

But I digress. There was a response in the article that I think sums this up nicely: They said something to the effect of "Israel cannot maintain its goals of being a Jewish State and be a Democracy". I think that "the right" says stupid things like this because they don't realize that by striving to enforce the "purity" of the nation-state, they are in fact promoting fascist ideas. The same can be said for the governments of Arizona and other border states that are trying to "stop the flow of these damn wetbacks that are stealing all our jobs".

The Socialist (aka Naive) view is to promote integration; same can be said for Arabs and Christians living in Israel, that the Israeli government should just try to integrate the OTs and their populations, and look to other countries where there are mixed ethnic groups as examples of how to manage the "two solitudes". Though I think India would be a bad example. Same with Iraq. Or former Yugoslavia. However, they won't do this because of the fabled "Bomb In The Womb", that is if you give the non-Jews truly equal rights, then eventually you run the risk of having a minority of Jews in the Jewish Homeland. Like Francophones in Quebec.

So while I believe I understand both sides of the debate that is happening here, the simplest thing to do IMO would be to pack them all up and send them ~~to camps~~ to Saudi Arabia. I here they like ~~indentured servitude~~ cheap labor there.

chold_numa said @ 3:10pm GMT on 2nd Jun [Score:1 Interesting]
Yes, but by the rhetoric that gets thrown around, you'd think that all the Jews in Israel were Ashkenazi and they'd just got off the train from Auschwitz not 30 minutes ago.

Snark aside, if apartheid becomes the policy in Israel (and arguably it has), there really is nothing worth saving. You might as well have the UN, NATO, the EU or some other independent body install a government that integrates the two populations. It can be done, and has been done (with some problems) by the British in Malaysia. While problems exist in Malaysia, it's not on the level where the army shoots old men and children and then neither the government or the military command deign to investigate. If this happens consistently, there's a clear breakdown in the moral fabric of that society.

Your solution of shifting all the non-Jewish people off to Saudi is ethnic cleansing. Plain and simple. Much like concentration camps were ethnic cleansing, putting people into ghettos, ensuring people are easily identifiable, via yellow star or identity card. Much like dividing the West Bank up by fortified roads, uprooting crops and denying people entry to their homes. It boils down to the same thing. When ethnic cleansing seems like a good solution, something has gone very wrong. Israel is rotting away from the inside.

Misanthrope said @ 5:51pm GMT on 2nd Jun [Score:1 Insightful]
Yes, his wording indicated he thought it was akin to ethnic cleansing.

RhesusMonkey said @ 6:20pm GMT on 2nd Jun
Yes, understood, and for the record having been to Israel several times I have to say it is a fabulous country and I really hope they manage to succeed in providing a foothold of secular thought in the region. Seriously. If it wasn't obvious I don't agree with the principles of the Right, I do think that the MK should be suitably chastized for making such a stupid comment, but my centra point was that "the Right" in Israel is at odds with two directions: Either maintain Israel as a Jewish-Majority state by means of ethnic cleansing or aphartheid-equivalent sanctions on their own populace, which is the clear path to Fascism, or be a democracy, and enable the public to decide how the country should be run, and understand that "the public" is not always Jewish. A true Democracy should be fighting for the rights of the minorites, in order to ensure that they are able to co-exist with the majority; this is something that the US "Right" also doesn't understand, which is why they are also on a path to Fascism if the Tea Partiers manage to win in the next election (not necessarily presidential, but there are Congress races happening in '12 as well, no? I thought House was 4 yrs, Senate was 6?

rndmnmbr said @ 1:13pm GMT on 1st Jun
So, Jewish Nazis. Does that qualify as ironic?

Mel Gibson said @ 1:32pm GMT on 1st Jun [Score:3 Funny]

It's the JOOOOOOS

tickaz said @ 10:33pm GMT on 1st Jun
I love you.

sanepride said @ 2:50pm GMT on 1st Jun
The irony is that the settlers and Haredim she's defending are a far greater danger to Israel's security than the African migrant workers (and obviously the human rights activists).

willrogers said @ 10:56pm GMT on 1st Jun
She's amazingly obtuse to not understand the difference between an oppressed group of people seeking asylum and a group of people stealing property and land from another group of oppressed people.

She's also got some classic oppressor circular language where she and her ilk are responsible for the deplorable conditions of an oppressed group through discrimination, and then argues that their deplorable conditions justify their poor treatment and expulsion.

pleaides said @ 11:41pm GMT on 1st Jun
...and where have I heard that before?

Mad March Harris said @ 8:03pm GMT on 1st Jun
There's a hardcore WWII simulator (I can't remember the name and want to call it Iron Crusade but that's wrong) where you can orchestrate things as such that the "Aryan Nation of Israel" eventually arises.

Xiph0 said @ 5:04am GMT on 3rd Jun
Hearts of Iron?

CapnSilver said @ 1:27pm GMT on 1st Jun
Lol this is from the onion.
Right?
Fuck.

sanepride said @ 2:45pm GMT on 1st Jun [Score:1 Insightful]
Frankly I'm more shocked and saddened to find out that Haaretz has put up a paywall. Hopefully it's as easy to circumvent as the NY Times.

lilmookieesquire said @ 3:07pm GMT on 1st Jun
And we've gone full circle.

hellboy said @ 4:00pm GMT on 1st Jun
"Everybody is somebody’s Jew, and today the Palestinians are the Jews of the Israelis."

- Primo Levi, who knew a lot more about camps than this fucking idiot.

KingPellinore said @ 5:07pm GMT on 1st Jun
How do you say irony in Hebrew?

* (The Asshole FKA Morris) said @ 6:54pm GMT on 1st Jun
ynori

bruceski said @ 7:07pm GMT on 1st Jun
Googling around it appears to have been appropriated from English, so אירוני pronounced "aye-roh-nee".

Spaceloaf said @ 7:48pm GMT on 1st Jun
Wow, there is a superstar Humble Bundle going on right now:

Amnesia
LIMBO
Psychonauts
Sword & Sworcery EP
Bastion

azazel said @ 8:02pm GMT on 1st Jun
Amnesia: too damn scary, I refuse to play it.
LIMBO: okay, but I have it already.
Psychonauts: KILLER game; simply amazing. Get this. Seriously. Even though it has shit controls on the PC.
Sword & Sworcery EP: Have it, haven't played it much since my iPhone died. Liked what I saw though.
Bastion: that voice. DAT VOICE. Pretty good. Not my type of game but the narrator is definitely what made it worthwile playing through for me.

cb361 said @ 8:24pm GMT on 1st Jun
I'm a whore for cheap steam games. With bundles and special offers, I've got 138 games on Steam. Almost of all which I've never had time to play. Most of them won't run on my elderly computer anyway.

HoZay said @ 9:44pm GMT on 1st Jun [Score:2 Underrated]
You are not alone in this. The Steam bargains are irresistible.

willrogers said @ 11:04pm GMT on 1st Jun
Almost everyone I know who uses Steam at all is in a similar situation, they buy tons and tons of games and never really get around to playing many of them.

Steam is actually a pretty cool and successful business model that shows how other companies and industries can adapt to how the economy is changing with the internet and technology. iTunes and Amazon do good jobs of emulating this model for music and videos.

blibblob said @ 8:57pm GMT on 2nd Jun
It's infuriating. Get all these games for cheap, but don't play any of them. Instead, log 300+ hours in Total War and Civ games. Which I didn't buy on sale.

Croatia said @ 3:00pm GMT on 2nd Jun
I wonder if my Jewish opinion counts to this vampire woman? Or am I part of solution number one, the final solution?

iosef said @ 12:01am GMT on 3rd Jun
Some things that kick this woman's comments to a new level of inanity:

1) Kadima represents itself as a centrist political party.

2) This woman herself is an immigrant, from the former USSR.

Some people are just too dumb to breathe.

mechanical contrivance said @ 3:04am GMT on 3rd Jun
But not too dumb to get elected.