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Thursday, 12 April 2012
quote [ The task force report on the controversial pepper-spraying of student protesters at the University of California, Davis concluded the campus police and administration made "critically flawed" decisions. ]
[politics] [by schatten00777@1:20pmGMT] [+10 Good] |
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pleaides
said @ 2:08pm GMT on 12th Apr
I wonder how much it cost to report the blindingly obvious. |
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GordonGuano
said @ 2:17pm GMT on 12th Apr
There really should be a +1 "No Shit" mod. |
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the belt
said @ 3:10pm GMT on 12th Apr
Yeah, they didn't need an expensive inquiry to expose the stinging truth. |
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hellboy
said @ 4:36pm GMT on 12th Apr
Don't spray your derision all over the place. |
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spite48
said @ 4:55pm GMT on 12th Apr
Can you seriously look me in the eye deny that police activity is peppered with this sort of abuse of power. |
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mrcucumber
said @ 5:06pm GMT on 12th Apr
You're just itching to turn this conversation into an argument. |
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arrowhen
said @ 7:19pm GMT on 12th Apr
[Score:5 Good]
I love a good argument. I forget though, is typing in all caps a sin? |
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spite48
said @ 7:24pm GMT on 12th Apr
Sorry for that spicy response. Please don't expel me - I'm under a lot of pressure. |
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hellboy
said @ 7:39pm GMT on 12th Apr
It's natural to feel defensive, but this is a pretty searing indictment. |
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GordonGuano
said @ 5:07pm GMT on 12th Apr
You know what famous lawyer should get involved in this case? Eliot Spritzer. |
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kichijoii
said @ 5:46pm GMT on 12th Apr
I wonder how much it cost to report the blindingly obvious. Yeah, it sucks, but "third party analysis" is invaluable in establishing the authority of your response, especially around an event that stirred so much controversy. |
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kichijoii
said @ 5:49pm GMT on 12th Apr
Also, there are a lot of non-obvious problems in administration and leadership that need to be exposed and addressed. The timeline of events is particularly well established, as are the connections among individual decisions leading up to the event. |
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granitewitch
said @ 2:40pm GMT on 12th Apr
They had to go through the formalities to ensure that when charges are brought the cops can't claim that they were reacting to a perceived threat. It may be plainly obvious to most, but they had to cover everything. |
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Mad March Harris
said @ 4:51pm GMT on 12th Apr
190 pages to say "John Pike abused his authority to pepper spray a bunch of sitting students"? I get that they had to close off any avenue of legal escape but how do you turn that into 190 pages? |
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GordonGuano
said @ 5:09pm GMT on 12th Apr
It's called billable hours, baby. |
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arrowhen
said @ 7:16pm GMT on 12th Apr
The trick is to use a slightly larger font, increase the margins a bit, and bump up the line spacing. |
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Phaedrine
said @ 5:44am GMT on 13th Apr
That's kids stuff. Real men use kerning. |
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ebsyndrome
said @ 6:19pm GMT on 12th Apr
[Score:-5 Troll]
if you protest on private property and get pepper-sprayed for it... it's your own fuckin problem. grow some nuts before you place yourself in the position of a protester. grow some brain and realize protesting isn't some game ...it's serious. I wish they used physical force and beat the shit out of them. |
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lalanda
said @ 6:41pm GMT on 12th Apr
[Score:1 Informative]
Stop being an idiot. |
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ebsyndrome
said @ 7:38pm GMT on 12th Apr
i feel infinitely more correct now that you've compared the kent state shootings to the uc davis pepper-spray incident... you need to stop being an idiot. |
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Equinophobe
said @ 8:36pm GMT on 12th Apr
improper application of force used on a peaceful protest by an overzealous "peacekeeping" force now widely believe to be a huge mistake? i mean, i can see your confusion. why would anyone draw parallels there? |
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ebsyndrome
said @ 9:16pm GMT on 12th Apr
you say improper application of force if you want to argue a pepper-spraying incident. you can't compare a pepper-spraying incident to opening fire on a crowd of protesters causing 4 deaths. the latter doesn't fall into the same category of "improper use" it was just murder... |
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blibblob
said @ 9:32pm GMT on 12th Apr
As much of a blistering, backwards idiot this guy is, I agree with this statement. |
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Equinophobe
said @ 9:42pm GMT on 12th Apr
yes, yes, i dont mean to say the two events were equally tragic, that's silly. they both are symptoms of the same disease, however, that being that the protester/enforcer dynamic is a precarious one and either side that steps out of line (escalating to violence) should be met with outrage. and calling me out on using "improper application of force" is just trying to reduce this discussion to arguing over semantics. |
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lalanda
said @ 11:46pm GMT on 12th Apr
I was suggesting you replace the Davis pepper spray with Kent State in your comment - if you are going to protest you better expect a lot of you to die, protesting is serious. Don't cry over only four deaths. My point was that they are similar. Non-violent resistance doesn't have to be met with violence. Even more so now that we have the lessons learned at Kent State. |
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ENZ
said @ 7:59pm GMT on 12th Apr
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blibblob
said @ 6:47pm GMT on 12th Apr
*cocks head and narrows one eye* ??? |
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schatten00777
said @ 6:50pm GMT on 12th Apr
Ironically, this argument is the reason I posted the article. |
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ebsyndrome
said @ 7:24pm GMT on 12th Apr
[Score:-5]
i guess i'm just crazy. i thought you needed a permit to protest on private property. what was i thinking? probably the same rationality i used when i figured you wouldn't take my, "beat the shit out of them" statement literally... just trying to spice up my point, because LITERALLY... the only other option would be for the police to physically move them and by the law you all want to ignore... arrest them. loved to have seen the outcry and lawsuits after a police officer accidentally breaks a wrist or bruises a body trying to pry these morons apart. pepper-spray? we're crying over pepper-spray? what part of protesting and it's pro's and con's do you want to pretend doesn't exist? they told them to break up and what the consequences were if they did not. they did not. if that's not clear enough was the next choice of action? saying pretty please while handing out lollipops and free passes to the movies? no.. it's the law and you get dealt with. add the oversensitivity of America mainly because of the increased volume of video, media and technology... everything gets taped. Plus, police are already perceived immediately as, "the man" fighting against, "innocent youth" ..."pigs" vs. "hipster kids" ...and you get a lot of people who were not even there making very large assumptions on what is right and wrong. and I get trolled for siding with clearly stated laws and not idiotic protesting. people get tazered without even getting the luxury of a clear explanation first ...and tazers are dangerous. where's your anger when a baseball fan jumps onto a MLB field and gets tazered down? seemed excessive but I guess people say to themselves.. well he was an idiot, he asked for it. why is it so bad to say the same about the choices of these kids? |
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Equinophobe
said @ 8:32pm GMT on 12th Apr
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are you fucking simple? private property doesnt mean it's a sovereign goddamn country. these were students, protesting on their college campus. not doing anything worthy of getting pepper sprayed. pepper spray is meant to be non-lethal crowd control and personal deterrent. if these people were being violent or throwing things then yeah, pepper the shit out of them. people sitting where you dont want them to sit? yeah, fuck those kids. spray them in the eyes. that's totally okay with you? |
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ENZ
said @ 9:36pm GMT on 12th Apr
The University of California is a public university. Not quite the same thing as someone running out onto the field during a professional ball game. |
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lilmookieesquire
said @ 8:15am GMT on 13th Apr
[Score:-1]
Next you'll be defending that asshole Ghandi. |
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GordonGuano
said @ 10:50pm GMT on 12th Apr
Somebody making a professional sport interesting, however briefly, by running onto the field and disrupting the game, is a goddamned hero and should be feted with feasts and nubile young women. |
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eIfish
said @ 11:55pm GMT on 12th Apr
[Score:2 Funny]
19th hole (NSFW) |
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GordonGuano
said @ 12:30am GMT on 13th Apr
[Score:1 Insightful]
That is possibly the greatest man who has ever lived. |
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CapnSilver
said @ 12:29am GMT on 13th Apr
[Score:-2]
Clearly stated laws? Isn't this post about how actually the pepper spray shouldn't have been deployed? You have a very one sided approach to rule of law. "I am the law, and I RULE!" |
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lalanda
said @ 11:47pm GMT on 12th Apr
[Score:-3]
Also I shouldn't have called you an idiot. I meant to say your reasoning was idiotic to me, not that you are. Sorry. |
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Barnabas_Truman
said @ 7:39am GMT on 13th Apr
Freakin' FINALLY. This has been delayed and delayed and delayed for MONTHS by lawsuits from the police union. Ostensibly they don't want officers' names released, which is understandable (note that most names are redacted in the final release), but it seems a lot more like they were deliberately trying to keep the report repressed until the public had lost interest. |
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ebsyndrome
said @ 5:43pm GMT on 13th Apr
[Score:-1 Flamebait]
i'm disgusted by you people. you're worse off on thinking for yourselves than the american public. just go along with the consensus, right? what part of taking responsibility for yourself is so difficult to accept? that's all i've been preaching. walk out into that street and you might get hit by a car. protest and decline demands of police officers and you might get pepper-sprayed. what part are you calling me simple on? try reading everything i wrote 5 or 6 times and tell me where i'm so wrong. you're not only all a bunch of vaginas you're a bunch of troll vaginas.. and you gang up together. SE is a flock of troll vaginas fighting for the wrong points but apparently win because its hard to stop a flock of troll vaginas. |
lilmookieesquire
said @ 6:09pm GMT on 13th Apr
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lilmookieesquire
said @ 6:13pm GMT on 13th Apr
But seriously, specifically, the part were you dismissed the University of California students as just fucking around and not being serious with their protests. Their tuition is skyrocketing. They are going into debt. And the payoff for going to university is getting smaller and smaller and smaller. That is one of the major ways the former middle class is getting squeezed. That's why they are protesting. And they are serious. And they are prepared to be pepper sprayed for it. |
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lilmookieesquire
said @ 6:15pm GMT on 13th Apr
And seriously. "Trolls" and "vaginas"? Save that for youtube comments, yahoo answers, and /b please. |
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eIfish
said @ 6:40pm GMT on 13th Apr
Also a keyboard with working shift and C/R keys is what, $5? |
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schatten00777
said @ 6:57pm GMT on 13th Apr
[Score:2 Underrated]
Sure, I might get hit by a car walking out into the street. But if a driver deliberately swerves to hit me on purpose, am I responsible or is he? Sure, I might protest and expect to get arrested. But if a policeman deliberately uses excessive force beyond his rights, am I responsible or is he? If I take a risky action, I take responsibility for appropriate damages. That does not mean everyone else I deal with gets a free pass to do what they like. And that is why you're wrong. |
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benjamander
said @ 10:35pm GMT on 13th Apr
[Score:1 Insightful]
You seem to dislike vaginae. |
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Seneki69
said @ 11:02am GMT on 24th Apr
You better dip your diphthong on the vaginae. |
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Barnabas_Truman
said @ 4:00am GMT on 14th Apr
[Score:1 Underrated]
It was the police that were unreasonable on November 18. It is you that is unreasonable now. |
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