Sensible Erection | So what ever happened to admitting you're wrong?

Sunday, 11 May 2008

So what ever happened to admitting you're wrong?

quote [ You only have one high school senior prom, so wanting to make the most of the night, you:

1. Choose a nice dress that meets the dress code - and concentrate on having a great time
2. Ignore posted dress code, show up in a miniskirt, no underwear and rubber-band top, railing against the establishment until officers lead you away in handcuffs. ]

Girl wears stripper dress to Prom
Gets kicked the hell out
Doesn't see what the problem is

[by monkeynuts@10:16pmGMT] [+7 Funny]

Comments

KingPellinore said @ 10:27pm GMT on 11th May [Score:2]
Thank God she was turned away, otherwise some kids might have had sex after the prom.

pleaides said @ 10:33pm GMT on 11th May
*gasp*

Vibrating @ the Speed of Light said @ 2:51am GMT on 12th May
Soulja Girl?

Naruki said @ 10:33pm GMT on 11th May
I don't see what the problem is, either. Pics pls.

Supreme_Coconut said @ 10:37pm GMT on 11th May
Much as I hate to side with The Man and enforce dress codes, that skank shouldn't walk around dressed like that. Not that she has any breasts to show, but those.. straps(?) could easily pull to the side and fulfill her dance partners fantasies. Let him wait a few hours, dearie.

monkeynuts said @ 10:45pm GMT on 11th May [Score:1 Funny]
The biggest thing for me isn't the dress.
It's the fact that for some reason after completely disregarding the guidelines she pretty much agreed to upon purchasing her ticket. she doesn't understand why she couldn't get into her prom and why she can't get her money back.
Like, what's not to get?
How the fuck did she make it to her senior prom? Is this what's being pushed out of the diseased womb of our public schools?

Naruki said @ 10:47pm GMT on 11th May
I don't get why she can't get her money back.

I also doubt you can explain it to me in a way that doesn't sound greedy and insane.

KingPellinore said @ 10:58pm GMT on 11th May [Score:1 Underrated]
I imagine it's due to the fact that the same agreement that stipulated she obey the dress code also stated that ticket money was non-refundable.

I'm not defending that, just saying that's usually how these things work.

EPT said @ 11:08pm GMT on 11th May
Probably because organisers get paid to provide for n people and don't take kindly to refunding money due to problems that aren't their own fault.

Naruki said @ 11:11pm GMT on 11th May
Then I was right.

KingPellinore said @ 11:15pm GMT on 11th May
No, I was right.

ComposerNate said @ 11:31pm GMT on 11th May
Too late. Naruki said it first.

KingPellinore said @ 11:35pm GMT on 11th May
I said it first before Naruki said it first.

ComposerNate said @ 11:51pm GMT on 11th May [Score:5 Insightful]
Upon entering a conversation, it's implicitly understood what Naruki shares is indeed fact, while all other's statements are false, usually offensively so, regardless of conflict or previous lack thereof.

Philistine said @ 5:08am GMT on 12th May
I <3 U Nate

Naruki said @ 6:55am GMT on 12th May
He's right, you know.

Amul Muzz said @ 7:28am GMT on 12th May [Score:5 Funny]
vizmoti

jonsnews said @ 10:16am GMT on 12th May
DCI rules indicate that all matters of instants and interrupts should be dealt with in a LIFO (Last In First Out) manner.

shiney things said @ 6:35am GMT on 12th May
because she probably signed and agreement to follow the dress code either specifically for prom or did so at the beginning of the school year to adhere to the student guidelines, including dress code for school sponsored events. she broke the contract, therefor she is liable for the expenses it caused her, ie the ticket price.

axel_qwerty said @ 7:24am GMT on 12th May
"Agreements" school officials make kids "sign" are the living embodiment of click-through EULAs, only more so. It's safe to assume every single such "contract" is signed under duress by a person without understanding of what it is they are signing, and legally (as a minor) unable to sign it anyway.

theolypse said @ 7:25am GMT on 12th May
It isn't. I always read them.

EPT said @ 8:10am GMT on 12th May
"Don't show up to the prom dressed only in a thin bit of gauze" is hardly soul-destroying oppression. It's also not going to haunt her under a permanent shroud of potential litigation.

shiftace said @ 8:16am GMT on 12th May
you are right as a minor she would have been unable to sign a legal contract. Im am also drunk, but I don't think she had any right to a refund. Buyer Beware. and she look alike uh sank.

donnie said @ 10:48pm GMT on 11th May
You could say the same of pot smokers at demonstrations who get upset about being arrested - obviously she understands why she couldn't get in. Sometimes it's about making a point, I wouldn't deny her the benefit of the doubt when it comes to what seems like pretty obvious subtext here.

Naruki said @ 11:05pm GMT on 11th May [Score:5 Insightful]
He he he. You said subtext. Change the letters around and you get Buttsex.

You dirty bastard, I love the way you think.

steele.ero said @ 12:13am GMT on 12th May [Score:1 Underrated]
genius. I can't believe I never noticed that.

snowfox said @ 1:25pm GMT on 12th May
+1 diseased womb... rofl

donnie said @ 10:45pm GMT on 11th May
It's funny how the concept of modesty is so relative - or perhaps how human conflict is often retarded. The same people who would see controversy in her dress and even passively feel that she probably should have covered up are often the same people who would viciously attack Sharia law for enforcing a similar oppression of women. Face skin or titty skin - to decide it to be arbitrarily shameful and use force to make people cover it with fabric just seems entirely ludicrous.

KingPellinore said @ 10:55pm GMT on 11th May
I don't think this is an example of anyone oppressing women. I'm certain that if a male attending that high school's prom had shown up wearing an outfit that belonged on a Chippendale dancer, I'm sure the same standard would have been applied.

That having been said, I'm caught between two thoughts on this issue. On the one hand, she agreed to a certain dress code when she bought her prom ticket. She knew what the standards were before she acted. On the other hand, she wasn't given a choice as to whether she could accept those standards, other than simply to not attend the prom. It' snot as though she could have appealed to have the dress code ammended.

I think, what pushes me a little toward wagging my finger at her, rather than "The Man" is the fact that she wasn't wearing underwear. That's a bit over the skanky line as far as high school prom goes, even in my book.

donnie said @ 11:01pm GMT on 11th May
Ok, well, oppressing people then. I agree that in the context of society and, in particular, the agreement she implicitly accepted when buying her ticket, she was indeed in the wrong. I'm just trying to make the point that the entire situation is rooted in a cultural sense of modesty which is no less arbitrary than that demanded by Islam. I'm not even trying to say that I personally agree or disagree with what she did or with the fundamental tenets of Muslim law, I'm just trying to point out how they are, essentially, the same sort of thing.

KingPellinore said @ 11:15pm GMT on 11th May
donnie, nobody's asking anyone to wear a Burka to prom.

foobar said @ 1:01am GMT on 12th May
They're asking her to wear a titty burqua.

I guess I'm ok with it as long as it has those mesh things for the nipples to peak out.

KingPellinore said @ 2:34am GMT on 12th May
I'd argue with you, but "titty burqua" made me laugh my ass off, so you get a free pass.

EPT said @ 8:11am GMT on 12th May
... because there's a little slot they can peek out of?

Jewbacchus said @ 5:03am GMT on 12th May
Whoosh.

KingPellinore said @ 5:36am GMT on 12th May
No, not whoosh. I understand what donnie's saying. I disagree that this sort of "forced modesty", if you want to call it that, is on the same level as the Islamic Burqa.

Is Islam the new Nazism? Can we have a debate without someone saying, "That's as bad as what the muslims do!"?

Jewbacchus said @ 9:36am GMT on 12th May
I guess it depends on what you mean by 'level', but I would say donnie has already explicitly agreed with you that requiring a burqa is not on the same level as requiring a torso covering.

The point was that the amount of covering expected by society is arbitrary, and you responded to that by saying 'well I think these two societies standards require different amounts of clothing.'

monkeynuts said @ 11:20pm GMT on 11th May
I 100% agree with you.
My problem wasn't so much in what she's wearing. It's how she decided to handle the situation once she figured out she was going to be wearing that little clothing to the prom that explicitly stated you couldn't wear that little.
You broke the rules, you knew what was going to happen, you don't get an exception because your name has an e at the end.
if she really wanted to she could have NOT bought a ticket to the prom that wouldnt allow her to wear what she wanted to, but she didn't.

EPT said @ 11:06pm GMT on 11th May
It' snot as though she could have appealed to have the dress code ammended.

If she felt that strongly about it, she could have organised a student campaign or somesuch.

Naruki said @ 11:11pm GMT on 11th May
How do you know she wasn't wearing underwear? The article says she wasn't, but she says she was.

Even if she wasn't, though, perhaps she planned on having sex later and wanted to keep things efficient. I laud her foresight. Preferably, with my foreskin.

EPT said @ 10:55pm GMT on 11th May
That being said, there is a difference between 'one-off private function' and 'ongoing society in general'.

donnie said @ 10:57pm GMT on 11th May
Yeah, but modesty in general is not a foreign concept to western society - notwithstanding the specifics of this particular example, the idea is still pervasive in society.

selfabuse said @ 11:11pm GMT on 11th May
Um.... no.

I am happy to defend womens' right to wear bikinis, but not to a prom. No-one is disputing her right to wear whatever she wants at home or in public, but the prom had a dress code, which she chose to ignore. The prom is a private function, and as such they can bar her whenever they want.

If the dresscode at a mosque is to remove your shoes, then you remove your shoes, rather than arguing with the authorities that it's your right to wear shoes. It may be your right to wear shoes in public, but not in a mosque.

There are plenty of nightclubs that have a "no trainers" policy, which I happily accept on the few occasions I go to nightclubs. I don't stand around telling the bouncer "If you don't let me in wearing trainers, it's like The Taliban have already won!"

Naruki said @ 11:13pm GMT on 11th May
So pay your money, put on your flipflops, and try to get into the mosque where they determine that flipflops aren't shoes.

FifthSpango said @ 11:42pm GMT on 11th May
Well, if they tell you before you buy the ticket that they don't consider flip-flops shoes; then I'd say you're just being an ass.

Naruki said @ 6:57am GMT on 12th May
They don't. You custom designed these flip flops based on the latest shoe fashions, and you think they are shoes.

They also don't give your money back.

theolypse said @ 7:24am GMT on 12th May
Err, the mosque makes you wear notshoes.

What did you mean?

Naruki said @ 9:26pm GMT on 12th May
Clearly I meant that I am sometimes human and get mixed right the fuck up.

*pricks self with pin*

Fuck, I even bleed. BRB. I'm gonna call Ripley's...

kang said @ 10:52pm GMT on 11th May
You don't get to break the rules just because you're young and pretty.

monkeynuts said @ 11:21pm GMT on 11th May
who's pretty?

theolypse said @ 7:11am GMT on 12th May
In-motherfucking-deed.

Rafale0n said @ 10:58pm GMT on 11th May [Score:1 Insightful]
I was off my face after my high school prom, shit was ganjalicious.

oddzer said @ 2:03am GMT on 12th May
+1 Unrelated

mwoody said @ 11:00pm GMT on 11th May [Score:4 Insightful]
Student tests boundaries, is mildly rebuked by school staff! OMG this has never happened before!

ComposerNate said @ 12:02am GMT on 12th May [Score:5 Underrated]

KingPellinore said @ 12:43am GMT on 12th May
You, sir, have made my day.

Rafale0n said @ 12:48am GMT on 12th May
I'd annihilate that piece of ass any given time...

Only in Russia...

Saint_Marck said @ 1:56am GMT on 12th May [Score:3 Funny]
My god look at that dirty bumper.

Baxter_UK said @ 2:04am GMT on 12th May [Score:1 Funny]
It's just asking to be rear-ended.

KingPellinore said @ 2:33am GMT on 12th May [Score:1 Interesting]
But that could cause a clogged tail-pipe!

Baxter_UK said @ 6:12am GMT on 12th May [Score:1 Funny]
If that happens you'll have to flip the hood and use the dipstick.

Navier-Strokes said @ 12:52pm GMT on 12th May
Subtext? Buttsex

Navier-Strokes said @ 2:01am GMT on 12th May
How meta.
She's checking out the rear end of that car.

So who's checking out my ass?
*looks around with mischievous smile*

Amul Muzz said @ 2:40am GMT on 12th May
She is reading the very small script on the license that says "If you can read this, you are not wearing any pants."

lilmookieesquire said @ 12:05am GMT on 12th May
They might have considered refunding her money when asked.

monkeynuts said @ 12:29am GMT on 12th May
and she might have considered not violating the dress code when she read the rules regardless of how retarded or backwards it may be.

Baxter_UK said @ 1:22am GMT on 12th May
And I might have considered fucking her in the ass. (Ok, I already did consider that.)

lilmookieesquire said @ 10:38am GMT on 12th May
Never figured you to be a strict dress code kind of person.

RailRoader said @ 12:31am GMT on 12th May
Why refund any money. If you show up to a ball game drunk and they don't let you in ... there's no refund. How is this different? Rules were broken.

I also noticed no one here has mentioned the parents of this girl. Would you let your daughter out of the house with that on?

FifthSpango said @ 12:38am GMT on 12th May
Also, something like the Prom is going to be largely paid for in advance. Catering fees, the band and the such... They organising comitee working of a budget dependant on the number of people coming. If a person fails to turn up, it won't cost them any less.

Nihil said @ 12:52am GMT on 12th May
@the "parents" comment:

If the girl is an insecure skank who will have reckless, unprotected sex with any male who but provides her with a tidbit of attention, then forcing her to cover up for one night will not help her in any meaningful way.

If, on the other side, she's a well-adjusted, sensible girl who feels comfortable with her own appearance and sexuality, then, if she does dress skimpy, it means she's aware of what message she is sending to other people and she's OK with it.

tamp said @ 1:29am GMT on 12th May
The boys in their pretty dresses and gowns standing awkwardly in high heels, dancing with each other or standing and gossiping, waiting for that special someone who will rim ass and fuck them deeply tonight...

Baxter_UK said @ 2:04am GMT on 12th May
Where were you at my prom, tamp?

ComposerNate said @ 1:53am GMT on 12th May
Study: Breastfeeding Boosts IQ
At any age.
http://www.ironictimes.com/0400-p2.html

ComposerNate said @ 2:42am GMT on 12th May [Score:1 Funny]

KingPellinore said @ 3:11am GMT on 12th May
Naturally, you can see they are going to the LAN party, since the boy is only wearing a bow tie.

Tirade said @ 5:15am GMT on 12th May
Formal AND sexy.

mao tse helen said @ 6:51am GMT on 12th May [Score:4]

donnie said @ 9:04am GMT on 12th May
Stickman - black on the outside, white on the inside...and all lemon.

germanjulian said @ 3:38am GMT on 12th May
when she bought the ticket she agreed on the dress code which was formal.

If anyone wants to google formal dress code you will see what that means

she got what she asked for.

Tirade said @ 5:14am GMT on 12th May
Normally I'm the first to rail against school dress codes... but this wasn't in school, this was an outside event sponsored by the school. And they have every right to enforce a dress code for that. Especially since she agreed to it with the ticket purchase.

However one has to wonder if the police were REALLY necessary.

puppet said @ 5:18am GMT on 12th May
From the comments:
"is this what that girl wants future employers to see?"

Her parents have not prepared this girl for the real world. I can see it now....ask her what she's going to do with her life:
"I'mma be rich. I'mma go to college and get a bizness degree and den me and my friend Sh'ree gon open a bizness togetha doing hair and nails."

Baxter_UK said @ 6:15am GMT on 12th May
That might be what she wants to do with her life, but she'll be giving blowjobs for less than the price of a Big Mac before the year's out.

-_- said @ 5:51am GMT on 12th May

shiney things said @ 6:33am GMT on 12th May
i live really close to where this happened, and it's a pretty nice hotel in a really white bread part of houston. to give you an idea, it's next door to Tom Delay's favorite restaurant. the school felt the need to have a dress code for a reason. when she bought her ticket, she probably signed an agreement to follow the dress code. the school was more than within their rights to enforce the dress code she agreed to. by showing up at the hotel dressed like that, she hurt the hotels opinion of the school. by making a fuss, she hut the police's opinion of the school. by talking to the reporters, and helping to make this a worthwhile news story, she hurt the public opinion of her school. if she can't figure out why all of this is bad, she has way bigger problems that dressing like a prostitute.

Naruki said @ 7:01am GMT on 12th May
Um, fuck other people's opinions of the school, and fuck any school using such lame-ass third-grader type guilt trips to force compliance to white bread standards.

Her actions were her own. The responsibility was hers, as is any shame she chooses to feel. The school's feelings have jack shit to do with any of this.

shiney things said @ 7:25am GMT on 12th May
no. puplic opinions of a public institution matter. the bad press means they are going to be hard pressed to find a venue to host future events. the police attention means that they are going to be expecting more bad behavior. she made the school look bad despite signing a contract promising not to do so. she shouldn't get her money back. thats all i'm trying to say. the schools feelings come into play when she's demanding money from them. they have a right to deny her a refund.

Naruki said @ 9:19pm GMT on 12th May
NO.

They matter to the institution, but _not_ to the individual.

If you want to lay a guilt trip on an individual, make sure it is something that matters to the individual. Saying "it _might_ make XYZ Institute look bad" is a piss poor reason for denying freedom of expression or various other basic rights.

You assume it "makes the school look bad". You have no proof that she has done real, monetary damage to the school. You don't even know if her actions haven't helped the school. You just make an assumption based on your personal bias.

When you can _reasonably_ prove that she knowingly committed a crime or damage, then you can start to claim what you are claiming. But so far you are just using baseless assertions to justify her punishment.

The school, a building (or even the institution), is not alive and thus has no feelings.

Certain uptight shitheads in the school have feelings, and they think they get the right to trample other people's rights because of it. You seem to think they are right.

They are not right, just more powerful.

monkeynuts said @ 10:03pm GMT on 12th May
really the bottom line is that no matter how stupid and backwards the rule is(which some of us can agree upon) She broke them, now she has to face the consequence.
As far as I'm concerned this isn't even newsworthy unless the reporter is telling this girl that the rules set up by the school she's attending have been broken by her and she needs to get the fuck over it.
Theres seriously no reason for her to be confused as to why she wasn't allowed in or didn't get her money back unless she's a fucking retard or perhaps dyslexic and pretended to read the rules but in that case I'd be wondering how the fuck she made it to her "senior" prom without being able to read.

VictorTyne said @ 6:51am GMT on 12th May
Whoa! Guess you've got to come up with something better than a paper bag for a prom, eh?

Seriously, these pictures look like they were taken on the set of Jerry Springer with the "ladies" in question screaming "I look classy, not trashy!"

Reminds me too much of the people on WoW that swear constantly and then get all self-righteous when they get banned.

"I paid my money for this prom!"

"Yeah, so did everyone else and they'd prefer not to have to look at your skank ass."

Naruki said @ 6:58am GMT on 12th May
Then give her her money back.

theolypse said @ 7:15am GMT on 12th May
Pfsh. She paid her ticket price for the privilege of causing a scene, and she knew when she paid it that that was all she was buying. Nothing unfair, unjust, or unreasonable was done in that transaction.

Naruki said @ 9:23pm GMT on 12th May
No. She paid the ticket price for the right to attend the dance. You are aware of that fact, regardless of what you claim to the contrary.

If you are thrown out in the middle for doing something, I probably would agree that you lose the money. If you are simply barred from entering altogether, I see no valid reason for denying the refund.

Greed is not a valid reason. Self-righteous indignation is not, either.

monkeynuts said @ 10:10pm GMT on 12th May
you are going to a concert.
You are completely aware that you absolutely cannot bring a camera into this concert and if you do they are not going to let you in no matter how much you insist that you deserve to bring it in and that "everyone else likes my camera"
you get to the concert and are told at the door that if you try and get in with the camera they are going to call the cops on you.
You still try and get into the concert with your camera
Do you think, barring selling your ticket as a scalper that you're going to get your money back for the ticket?
Fuck no you're not.
She knew BEFORE she got there what the rules were.
She DELIBERATELY broke them and still expected to get in.
Do you not see the wrongness here?
do you still not see why she didn't get her money back?
If she knew the rules and still broke them either she's so self important that she thought they'd bend the rules for her or she's trying deliberately to disrupt the prom.

Naruki said @ 6:47am GMT on 13th May
Really bad analogy.

Also, you left out the part when she says she'll leave if they refund her ticket price, they call the cops to arrest her.

There was no good reason to steal her money.

baulsaak said @ 8:12am GMT on 13th May
At all of the proms i've heard of, tickets are non-refundable. They don't run these things for a profit and everything is paid before-hand.

You can't buy tickets at the door, so there is no way they could have given her money back, at least at the time of the event.

A different analogy: Suppose she showed up drunk. Being under the influence is probably also against the rules and she would have been refused admittance. Should they have refunded her money in this instance?

theolypse said @ 9:51am GMT on 13th May
I am aware that the ticket price in exchange for the right to attend is the customary exchange, and what the school officials believed they were exchanging. She knew she was going to do something that would prohibit her entry, though, and chose to go ahead with the transaction. If anything, she was defrauding the ticket seller.

damnit said @ 4:16pm GMT on 12th May
She was trying out for the Duct Tape scholarship.

JOECAM said @ 7:32am GMT on 12th May [Score:3]
My fav,

Baxter_UK said @ 7:55am GMT on 12th May
FAIL.

Scot said @ 8:54am GMT on 12th May
I don't like her mustache.

damnit said @ 11:09am GMT on 12th May [Score:1 Insightful]
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