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Thursday, 27 November 2003

Bremmer: US Occupation ends in June.

quote [ After that we'll be an "Invited Presence." ]

We're leaving, but we're not leaving leaving.

[politics] [by dook_sucks@12:45amGMT] [+7 Underrated]

Comments

Longhair said @ 12:53am GMT on 27th Nov
No shit, How stupid are the sheeple?

I guess we will soon see.

fake name said @ 1:39am GMT on 27th Nov
Just look in the mirror. And check your fax. I think the DNC just sent you some more talking points.

Longhair said @ 1:47am GMT on 27th Nov
Sooner than I thought

fake name said @ 1:55am GMT on 27th Nov
Lay off the dope and your reaction time will be quicker.

k0k0peli said @ 1:56am GMT on 27th Nov
It's easy to stay invited when we're pointing guns at them. "Hello there, you nice Iraqis whom we've installed in power, invite us to stay or we'll block your fucking heads off." Something like that.

k0k0peli said @ 1:59am GMT on 27th Nov
That was supposed to be "BLOW your fucking heads off." Sorry.

stmpynode said @ 3:47pm GMT on 27th Nov
Block sounded cool anyways.

fake name said @ 2:06am GMT on 27th Nov
And if we were to pull a Bill Clinton style pullout, ala, Black Hawk Down, Iraq would collapse into chaos and civil war. At which point you and lh would be whining about how Bush left the Iraqis hanging.

PontifexPrimus said @ 3:40am GMT on 27th Nov [Score:1 Insightful]
Nope, we're gonna be whining about how he never should have gotten in there in the fucking first place. See, it's a chain of events: move in -> destabilize -> move out. Without the first step, there are no others.

fake name said @ 3:55am GMT on 27th Nov
No, in that case you'd be complaining about how Bush stood by and allowed a despot to remain in power, brutalizing and killing hundreds of thousands of his own people. And you'd say he did for the sake of the oil companies.

k0k0peli said @ 6:04am GMT on 27th Nov [Score:2 Insightful]
There are a number of despots in power, brutalizing and killing masses of their 'own' people. Some of them, the US govt regularly does business with (including military support). Others may be actual threats to US security and interests. But we don't knock them off because they aren't impeding oil flows. We're very picky about who we liberate.

Kamagurka said @ 9:06am GMT on 27th Nov
the US actually put some of them in power.

pempek said @ 2:42am GMT on 27th Nov
When is everyone going to realize that nobody in power gives a crap about the Iraqi people. There is a larger goal here than making sure they can buy Big Macs and Starbucks. This isn't the first or last time a huge number of people will be used as an excuse for war.

Some people say we are there to spread democracy and ensure that the Iraqis are freed from tyranny, some people say we are there for oil. The truth lies in the middle. Oil will flow more freely, yes. There will be a stable (western friendly) regime (eventually), yes.

If, eventually, iraqis can send their kids off to school, go to work, come home and watch tv, go to sleep and do it all again the next day, then they will have been given what the coalition forces promised. This is not an unrealstic concept. Their culture will eventually be watered down by western influence, but they won't have bombs dropped on them for days on end either.

The question becomes, are we satisfied enough with our own system of government, that we want to extend it's reach into their country and culture? Some people say yes, some say no. If you say no, you have to start by changing things in your own country. This form of government can't be contained, and it's basic function is to spread and conquer. Capatalism has a desire to grow, and if left unchecked, will do whatever it takes to expand and absorb all that it can. This is what we are witnessing now. But the Iraqi people are not 'victims', they are simply chattle that comes with the land.

wrffr said @ 6:42am GMT on 27th Nov
Now they are gorging themselves on MTV, cartoons and the slick Arab satellite news channels already sweeping the region. Entire Iraqi families have become couch potatoes, and fights commonly break out in households over who has the remote control.

Kamagurka said @ 9:05am GMT on 27th Nov
some of the things you say are actually not unwise. however, the iraqi people ARE victims. oh boy, are they ever. what's worse is that they were before, too, and are now (to another degree?) still.
eventually, this is going to change. when it does, the american government will claim they are to thank for it; inhowfar they will be right, remains to be seen (although i got a good geuss going).

piha said @ 3:27am GMT on 27th Nov
Troop reduction = 17,000 extra reservists
Pre-emptive strike against terrorism = breeding ground for terrorism
Department of Defense = War, Inc.

This pattern reminds me of something I read long ago....

Kamagurka said @ 9:01am GMT on 27th Nov
WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

Resplendent_Elk said @ 12:32pm GMT on 27th Nov
BUSH IS INTELLIGENT

revchoppy said @ 1:39pm GMT on 27th Nov
OPERATION IRAQI FREEDOM IS ABOUT THE PEOPLE

bosco said @ 3:16pm GMT on 27th Nov
ENDLESS DEBATE CREATES WORLD PEACE

revchoppy said @ 3:41pm GMT on 27th Nov
BOSCO POSTS ARE 'FAIR AND BALANCED'

No, I'm sorry, that was unfair, but, maybe... a little funny?

Resplendent_Elk said @ 4:19pm GMT on 27th Nov
INFINITE JUSTICE CREATES WORLD PEACE

ballinyourmouth said @ 6:18pm GMT on 27th Nov
WE HAVE NEVER BEEN AT WAR WITH EURASIA
WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN AT WAR WITH OCEANIA

Kamagurka said @ 9:48pm GMT on 27th Nov
ok, ok, i think we all got it by now. and even if this looks like the perfect oportunity to get all that capslock out of your system, it isn't.

AshikKerib said @ 10:18pm GMT on 27th Nov
daily show is so good. link didn't work for me though, i had to find it myself :(

dook_sucks said @ 6:00am GMT on 19th Mar [Score:1 Interesting]
Hard to believe we're still there. Back then if you had asked me if we would still be there today, I would have said no way. Wonder if we'll still be there in 2017.